Something to keep in mind when discussing this topic.
Something to keep in mind when discussing this topic.
I have had a different thought on this in the past; Every child born should have $10K put into an account in their name on the day they are born. It will gain interest and grow until they are 18, then they get the money. And as an adult after 21, they are taxed at some rate to pay back the initial 10K that will then be deposited into the account of some other new baby.
But what you are really saying is put aside $10k and grow it through investments. Then withdraw the gains only, and make the $10k a withdraw-but-pay-back option.
No gains :(!
so is the core idea flawed, or just my vision on execution?
[1] https://www.bankofamerica.com/deposits/bank-account-interest...
Its kinda funny how people who have money live by the mantra "It takes money to make money, but once you have money, money makes itself"
Yet any time you talk about investing on the behalf of others/society -- everyone laughs it off as impossible.
Your 401k comment gave me an idea for one potential tweak that would make a big difference. If there were a plan to collect a small yet reasonable tax over the course of, say, 10 years or so, to build up an initial pool to draw from, then it might be able to generate enough interest to sustain a continuous payout. Once payouts have started the initial tax might be relaxed or eliminated, though it would depend largely on population growth and how quickly the pool compounds.
Also, since the census is tasked with counting all people in the united states, it also includes non-citizen long-term visitors and illegal (or undocumented) immigrants.
So it's not quite as simple as latest census count * 10k. It's still quite a lot though.
Sources: http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/federal_budget_detail
You can inflation adjust neither or both sides of the equation but not just one which is what you were doing.
If you want to pay for something using nominal growth you have to also accept the nominal growth in the cost. So in 20 years you will be able to fund 15,930 per year but that won't be enough anymore because that number will have risen.
Economics is not a zero-sum game and trying to treat it as one will always lead you astray.
P.S. If total US household income was 13 trillion and we assume that the top 1% took home half of that we can just tax the uber-super-mega rich at 50% and pay for a basic income for every man, woman, and child in the US.
I'm also willing to bet that those rich people will end up better off as the resulting economic spending boom circulates through the economy and ends up back in their pockets.
If current trends of automation continue there simply won't be many jobs (Foxconn is deploying a million robots right now to replace "cheap" Chinese workers). How long do you think society will last under those circumstances? Makes a 50% tax look like a bargain.
Taking the extreme example where no one's net income is decreased and people below median get the full $10k net, you've already halved that number. I think most formulations of actually paying for such a guaranteed income would include some degree of reduction as you approach median and increased taxes at the high end of the income spectrum, further reducing the cost. As mentioned exhaustively, you also can subtract the cost of many of the pre-existing social programs because they get replaced by the guaranteed income.
Total US population ~= 319M
Under 18 population ~= 73M
Over 65 population ~= 46M
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Remainder ~= 200M
No data on volunteering not to receive, though I don't know many people who pay more taxes than they're required to so I'm guessing that number would be pretty small.> In 2015, over 59 million Americans will receive almost $870 billion in Social Security benefits.
Therefore basic income would be about 2.3x the cost of social security but 3.4x as many people would benefit.