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This is purely anecdotal, but countries that haven't actually been touched by terrorism seem to be a lot more terrified of terrorists than countries that have been. It's a lot more of a boogeyman when it's those-people-over-there-doing-crazy-things

I remember in Poland and Croatia people were so scared that a common sentiment was basically wanting to ban all muslims.. you know.. just-to-be-on-the-safe-side

So while yes, this is a scapegoat, people in China are actually scared of the terrorists.. it's bizarre

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I think you don't follow Chinese news very much. They are heavily effected by terrorist attacks, low and high tech.

Also, I don't think China's position has anything to do with the peoples "fear" this is related to the governments position of trying to maintain it's power by staying on the right side of the information asymmetry the internet affords.

China has it's own definition of terrorism.

I think "heavily affected" is a matter of opinion. It's been mostly some rather unorganized and heavily suppressed unrest in Xinjiang...

As far as we know the country isn't infiltrated by Al Qaeda or the IS (like Europe and maybe the US)

As for your second point, sure - a perfect climate to clamp down on the internet some more without upsetting anyone.

Wait, are you saying that China hasn't experienced terrorism? That's definitely untrue. Terrorist attacks by Uyghur separatist groups is not an infrequent occurence. There was a highly publicized attack in Kunming in 2014.

China actually has problems with terrorism. In particular within Xinjiang province.

Wikipedia: Recent incidents include the 1992 Urumqi bombings,[9] the 1997 Ürümqi bus bombings,[7] the 2010 Aksu bombing,[10] the 2011 Hotan attack,[11] 2011 Kashgar attacks[12] and the 2014 Ürümqi attack.[13]

Yeah - you're definitely remembering wrong or you have your countries mixed up.

Croatia was actually the only (border-) EU country that allowed passage to all refugees (I'm guessing thats what you're referring to) and there was definitely no anti-muslim sentiment or any sort of call to ban all muslims.

Don't think anybody ever thought about anything like that at all in Croatia - people still remember their own armed conflict a decade or so ago.

You probably mean the countries from the Visegrad group (Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia) - where some parts of the government (in especially Slovakia) were proposing to only accept Catholic refugees (which is also not the same as saying they'd ban all muslims).

I'm not mixing up my countries, passage was granted b/c no one was concerned that they would stay in Croatia and they were just dumping the problem on to the next neighboring country. Everyone knows they're trying to go to Germany and the Nordic countries. The countries that border Austria/Germany obvious were a bit more concerned that they refugees wouldn't be let in and so they'd end up with all these people on their border.

When the gov't agreed to accept several thousand refugees several people told me they thought it was a horrible idea and that they don't need these communities in Croatia.

Oh ok - thought you had your countries mixed up but now you're just trying to dig yourself out of the gutter. You need to check your facts on multiple things you've written.

Its true that most refugees are trying to make it to Germany - but if Germany closes its doors, they wouldn't get stuck in the immediate neighbouring countries - they'd get returned to the point of where they were first registered in the EU. Since Greece is not doing that at all - this would for most of them now be Croatia. Which is for example what Slovenia is preparing for (google "border razor wire slovenia") under the pretence of "defending" the Schengen border (even though its just something like 70km through Slovenian territory from Croatia to Austria). So granting passage for Croatia is not an easy decision to make.

You dismiss granting passage as something any country could do - yet Croatia is the only willing/open corridor now since Hungary has closed it doors completely and they're clearly not welcome in Czech Republic, Poland, and Slovakia who openly oppose any EU quotas. No word on any of that in Croatia - who has already started building shelters for the EU quotas and has indeed already accepted refugees wanting to stay there (even though most of them want to continue on to Germany).

None of these have anything to do with your original claim that "Croatia wanted to ban all muslim". In addition to what I wrote I'd go as far as to say that Muslims as a religion are not such an oddity in Croatia - yes, its a predominantly Christian country but it does have a small and thriving muslim community inherited from its close ties with the neighbouring (predominantly muslim) Bosnia (made even closer by the fact that Bosnia and Croatia were mostly fighting on the same side in the last Balkans war against ex-Yu/Serbia).

"Several people told me" is just not a credible reference. Whereas its easy to google and confirm what I've tried to correct you with - again I think you're confusing Croatia with Slovakia (google Slovakia in relation to accepting only Christian refugees).

okay, first of all you're getting awfully defensive and I did qualify my first reply with "This is purely anecdotal..."

So I'm open to being wrong about Croatia's attitude to having a immigrant community of muslims - it's just not what I saw.

"Its true that most refugees are trying to make it to Germany - but if Germany closes its doors, they wouldn't get stuck in the immediate neighbouring countries "

No, the Germans would never close the door per se, they'd just stall and delay things till the bordering countries end up having huge camps while the famous EU bureaucracy does it's thing. Macedonia was clever and quickly managed to get them all across the country and dump it off on the next guy. Croatia pulled off something similar.

And ofcourse Croatians aren't painting all muslims with the same brush - sorry if I gave that impression. But one group, the one they seemingly don't want, comes from a land of boogeymen full of religious extremism Al Qaeda and the IS while the other is their war-buddies/neighbors (and as far as I know hasn't yielded a single terrorist - though with all the money coming from Saudi and Turkey that may change..)

We all know this is not about terrorism. Terrorism the excuse given to justify the end of privacy, just like "think about the kids" is used as a blanked principle to exert censorship.

China is actually threatened by terrorism and also the world! That terrorist is called the U.S.

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