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You are very optimistic or very fast-learner. I remember classmates during my master's writing shitty code even after 5 years of CS studies (and I'm not the best ninja-coder there is).

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I'm not talking about myself, those are my experiences with hiring developers.

During CS you don't learn how to write code, you're just learning about architecture and algorithms ;) There is just not enough real-world practice involved.

I've always thought a good comparison is to view computer languages as natural spoken languages. Some people are very quick to become fluent, while others, it can take years.

I've noticed better learning in industry vs class. My guess is because of a smaller set of things to learn (best practices of employer) and 8-10 hours a day of repetition

Yeah, I'm learning just as much as a hired front end developer as I did at my bootcamp. More narrow focus, which gets you deeper into the subjects.

That's because graduate students at universities are shitty coders.

CS degrees teach you how to do math, not how to be a software engineer.

Computer science isn't about programming, so one wouldn't expect that it teach people who to program well.

I wonder, looking at the sibling comments, under what rock were you hiding to even expect "5 years of CS studies" to teach people to code? ;)

Well I feel sad for people like my classmates (and you?) who lost 5 years to learn to do "simple math" and learn "about algorithms"... Because under my rock, 5 years is enough to learn to code (good not VERY good), and of course learn about advanced algorithms, data structures, language design, J2EE and all the shitty stuff we use in entreprise, etc.

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