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I guess this makes it clear (if it wasn't clear enough) that Israel is the state.

"Mashhour Abu Daqa, a former Palestinian telecommunications minister, ... believes Israeli carriers were behind the ban, trying to protect their interest in the captive Palestinian market."

this logic of economic subjugation (which I'm sure happens in other industries as well) reminds me of how the European powers treated their colonies - places to extract natural resources from and sell their surplus goods to at monopoly prices

not quite. carriers in Israel behaved in the same cartel fashion towards the Israeli market up until not so long ago when the government broke it: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/.premium-1.65109... (paywall)

As if there was any doubt... Only the Israeli government can cynically claim otherwise.

the occupying state.

HN is not a place for political views, there are plenty of other platforms for this, let's not litter HN, let's keep it clean and valuable.

Read paragraph 6 of HN welcoming guide: https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

I'm sorry but in this particular case I would disagree.

If you google for "Palestinian territories", you end up with the wikipedia article which uses the wording "occupied territories." (As it says there) the occupation was declared "null and void" by UN security council; and Israel sovereignty "has not been recognized by any country."

Noting the latter (recognition by no country), it is not just a political view but (also) a reiteration of the current state of affairs, much in the same fashion as saying that "London is the capital of the United Kingdom" (also a kind of political fact.)

See, it's exactly what I don't want to happen. This is your world and what you know. Now I'm gonna have to bite your bait about "UN declaring Israel Null and void". Here is the same UN council in 1949 declaring Israel a country and part of the UN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNVuGuX1-eo

No, wait, there is no way one can charitably interpret what I said to extract the notion of "UN declaring Israel Null and void". UN declared the occupation of those Palestinian territories under consideration as null and void. Please, that was a very cheap trick! :) Are you saying that what I said provokes one to then start on a path which leads to statements of the kind you said (that I said)? I don't think so, as long as the principle of charity is honestly implied and applied, and the better part of the people here are not complete boneheads. Have some faith!

(Notably - before, we were arguing over states of affairs and beliefs on those states; there is no reason to dismiss it as some kind of politicized regress into trash, in my opinion.)

Seems pertinent in this case as it relates to technology at hand and how sanctions work.

Besides 136/193 UN member states recognize the State of Palestine, more than a large majority. So saying "occupying" is not that outrageous, no?

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