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With the amount of Syrian/Afghan refugees flooding into Europe right now and Europes involvement in those wars, I imagine this sort of thing is going to be on the rise.

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You may be right, though the sociopaths behind this may have also been home grown terrorists as well. Remember, a lot of organisations like IS are trying to stir up violence among citizens of countries in Europe and the West.

Either way, it's an absolutely awful turn of events, and the kind of horrible thing that I thought would never happen again after the attacks in the early 00s.

This whole thing is a feedback loop, it will never end.

Except it has to :)

But your right, recognizing it's a feedback loop is the first step.

And the second step?

Break the feedback loop.

Keep trusting, keep being fair to everyone.

That means not allowing people to break the rules of society due to their personal beliefs but enforcing laws above board. No "shadowbanning" (unlawful arrests) or unlawful surveillance.

Most of the refugees are running from this kind of people but in their own country.

Problem is screening for who's who.

What do you mean? They are all women and children. Even that guy with the heavy beard and body of a 25 year old man, he's really 15. He's actually Syrian too, the accent being completely wrong is just a quirk.

He's a child at heart! Seriously though, it's a terrifying thought of having tens of thousands+ of people wandering about unregistered / unscreened first. It is (has) changed now somewhat, but who knows what was let in.

The refugees are fleeing the same type of violence, you know.

Their involvement in "those wars" being that they had to flee them?

Yes, for the most of the people fleeing that was the sum total of their involvement. And for a small percentage of those people they either are taking the fight with them or have other plans. It's a tough situation, on the one hand no right thinking person has a problem with sheltering refugees, on the other hand those very same people are worried about what the long term consequences of these mass movements of people will be. One thing is fairly certain, the Schengen agreement (which has done more for the unification of Europe than almost any other EU activity short of the launch of the Euro) is going to be a casualty.

Schengen will hold. But the outer borders of the union and the balkans will be militarized beyond belief.

It is already changing. Give it a few weeks. Sweden and Hungary have already put border controls back in place, France will likely do as well as a result of this attack at least for the foreseeable future. After that - and coupled with the immense increase of cross-border crime in the last decade - it will be a fairly easy step to rescind Schengen, if not in name then at least in spirit or on a 'temporary' basis. It's the easiest way out of a lot of the current problems and it is a lot cheaper than militarizing the Balkans which has other side-effects that are mostly undesirable.

Border controls are one thing. Freedom of movements is another. Being forced to flash id card at the border is not the same as the border officer being able to refuse entry to a legal EU citizen.

I'm not cool with flashing ID. Could you imagine being in the US and having to go through checkpoints every time you crossed a state border?

You've never seen the ag inspection stations at California border crossings, or the Border Patrol posts near the NM/TX line?

> You've never seen the ag inspection stations at California border crossings, or the Border Patrol posts near the NM/TX line?

The latter has nothing essential to do with the NM/TX border, there are border patrol checkpoints (including mobile ones) in a pretty wide swath "near" the Mexican border. They don't exist to enforce any kind of control on state borders.

True, but that means long lines waiting at the borders between countries again (hours for citizens, days for trucks). The damage would be enormous.

Europes involvement

And in your imagination, who is resppnsible with what motive and why is that not baseless speculation?

I believe that what ps4fanboy meant is "Europe's involvement in those wars that the refugees are fleeing". That is, Europe has had some involvement in Libya, Syria, and Iraq.

Do any of the refugees blame Europe for their [Europe's] involvement? Probably some do, yes.

I am sorry I dont understand what you mean can you edit your comment and I will try and answer your question.

Which phase would you call this?

www.spiegel.de/international/the-future-of-terrorism-what-al-qaida-really-wants-a-369448.html

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