Well I guess what I am saying is not that they don't exist it's just not many. For example I went to 4 Ruby meetups and Chicago and while fun, they're essentially Dev Bootcamp events where people learn things like writing blocks. The weird thing is, I went to a Ruby meetup in Ann Arbor, and there it was all industry professionals and coders. I tried to find other non ruby meetups, but they're few and far between.