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I gave Handy(Book) a try, and consistency in who arrived was my issue. The first person they sent was absolutely fantastic, send her every week!. Trying to book her again was a nightmare, the docs didn't match the application, and support pointed me back at the documentation. Finally a month later, after several support calls and emails, I had the same cleaner booked. Success!

The morning of my appointment I looked online and they'd switched my cleaner. The new person arrived 45 minutes late, did a poor job, and tried to get me to book her outside of Handy.

Finding someone on Craigslist is easier and cheaper. Answer a random ad, asses quality after their first visit. Either book them on a recurring schedule or move on to the next ad. The only difference is paying with a cheque rather than a CC.

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Just had the same issue with Handy. They notified my girlfriend 20 hours before an appointment that our requested cleaner was unavailable, and when we canceled charged us $15 for canceling within 24 hours.

After 4 different attempts to cancel we gave up and called American Express. They blocked Handy from charging the card again and did a chargeback for every dollar we ever spent with them.

Yep. Same story here. Cleaner didn't show up and Handy refused to refund my cleaning fee because the cleaner had attempted to contact me. (Apparently Handy does not find it relevant that I never received a call, nobody ever came to my house, and I am paying for cleaning not a phone call.) Eventually, after much back and forth, their customer service people simply stopped responding.

Against my better judgment, I attempted to book through them again the next week. Cleaner didn't show up and would not answer his/her phone.

On numerous prior visits the cleaner was very late and/or did a very poor job. Handy doesn't care.

This is a truly terrible service--one of the worst experiences I've ever had with a company.

How can Handy survive in the real world where workers reasonably call in sick with less than 24 hours notice if their customers behave like this?

In real world, if your regular cleaner calls in sick, you don't pay for that visit. If you really need some cleaning done you talk to him to come a few days before the usual scheduled date. It is a 1:1 relationship and often with the cleaner in the stronger position.

Apps like Handy want to invert that, but in the case of Handy they basically failed to provide the consistent quality and a critical mass of cleaner to offset people reluctance to engage with cleaners like this. This lead to the kind of frustration the parent describe. The real loss for Handy is not the cancellation or even the loss of that customer for good, the real loss is that they lost the recommendation of that customer and recommendation is the main way your currently chose a cleaner.

Figuring that out is kind of integral to Handy's business model. they're essentially playing matchmaker between customer and service provider, which means their business begins and ends with customer service.

If you pay for Bob to come over and clean your kitchen because you know Bob does great work, it's perfectly reasonable for me to call you up and say, "Bob's sick today, can I send Jed over instead?" But it's also perfectly reasonable for you to say "no, so cancel my appointment for today." It is not reasonable for me to charge you a cancellation fee under that scenario.

I agree that is a better level of service. But it may be reasonable if that's the agreement we already entered into.

Here is the relevant clause from the Handy TOS:

"Handy cannot guarantee that the same Professional will be scheduled for each Recurrent Service appointment"

Then, they shouldn't assign a cleaner and notify the customer who is assigned, as it essentially sets customer expectations that are inconsistent with their TOS.

Next, they make it worse by charging a fee for the pleasure of being disappointed. Pretty bad customer experience.

Well one easy way would be to not charge a cancellation fee when you don't provide the agreed upon service!

Did/does Handy promise to provide a particular individual?

They may or may not. I don't know. But there is a means of requesting a specific person, and they obviously take it seriously enough to send notifications.

But it's not good customer service to notify your client that their request can't be accommodated when it's too late for them to do anything about it. If the notice was prior to the cancellation-fee period, then sure, charge the fee if canceled within 24-hours. But if you give me late notice, at least allow me to late-cancel in return.

I checked the TOS and they do not guarantee the same individual.

But they make a point to allow you to book the same individual (or Professional in Handy parlance).

https://www.handy.com/help#/315d90/a4db36/19c48c

If they let you book a Pro and that Pro cannot make it on late notice, it is absurd to charge a late notice cancellation fee.

At least Amex is great about not giving a shit about awful TOS. If you screw your customers over and accept Amex you'll soon find out that you won't be getting paid.

No kidding about Amex. OP said they "did a chargeback for every dollar we ever spent with [Handy]". Wow.

If they hadn't they wouldn't have been getting in touch to say that the particular individual wasn't going to make it. If anything, the OP should send Handy an invoice for a cancellation fee, not the other way around.

This text is on the form you use to choose an individual:

"We'll do our best to match you up again on your new booking, but please understand that as an independent contractor, it is up to the discretion of the professional to accept or decline your booking. In the event we cannot match you, another professional will be assigned."

If you don't like that deal, don't take it. But don't be all pissed off when they do exactly what you agreed to.

I'm not the OP and have no horse in the race, but it sounds like the Professional accepted the booking and then cancelled with less than 24 hours before the appointment. The OP sounds fully within common sense and again I applaud Amex for listening to reason over a grey area policy.

The reason the cancellation policy exists is because if you cancel the Professional doesn't get paid and it's too late to rebook them to someone else. According to Handy, the cancelation fee goes to the Professional who you cancelled on. In this case the Professional cancelled, why should they still get paid?

A cancellation fee makes perfect sense in many cases, but sometimes companies take their own policies by the letter even when it's infuriating and bad for everyone. A better tack is to instead think about what the policy's intent is and how to handle it like adults. Usually in these cases the customer just shuts up and pays the fee and will never use the company again, but at least this time they had the follow through to take their money back (and if there's one thing a company notices it is their merchant account sending money in the other direction). A win for the little guy, great job OP!

All of your "read the fine-print" logic can be applied to Handy and Amex just as easily as to Handy and the customer.

eg:

If Handy doesn't like the deal where an Amex customer can request a chargeback for inadequate customer service then they shouldn't accept Amex as payment.

It's not fine print. It's the basic service model. They are very upfront about it. I understand that lots of people in this thread would prefer a different model. But that's not what they offer right now. I'm not for or against it: just tying to add facts to the thread.

This is ultimately my same issue with Handy. I don't want a different person every single time. I think this makes it really hard to make it work.

That being said I have had Handy come and clean many times now and not changed it, so I think there is a slight convenience factor. It would be better if Handy just facilitated the direct communication with the same person to come every time. And instead of charging me a fee, charged the cleaner a kind of 'management' fee. I think that would better.

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