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800 bucks a month or a year?

300k place with 20% down should be about $1500 a month ($1600 a month at 10%) for mortgage + property taxes.

Am I missing something?

$800/mo for an HOA fee is crazy. I recently purchased a condo for $330k at 20% down and I'm saving $200/mo over renting a smaller place.

What about the opportunity cost of the $66,000 you put down? You could likely earn more than $200/mo pretty easily with $66,000 in cash to utilize. It is too simplistic to say you are saving $200/mo just because the monthly P&I payment is $200 less than a rent payment. That doesn't take into account what you could have done with the cash, property tax, maintenance, etc... Of course the big unknown is the future value of the property, which makes this very difficult to calculate accurately.

I've looked at this several times and renting typically comes out on top for me. I still decided to own though because I couldn't find what I wanted to rent and I care more about where I live than making sure it is the smartest purchase I can make.

"You could likely earn more than $200/mo pretty easily with $66,000 in cash to utilize"

How? That's more than a 3% return.

Long term the S&P 500 has an annualized return between 6 and 7%, after adjusting for inflation.

Good luck paying a $200/mo bill with an S&P indexed investment, though.

Agreed thats why it should make sense to buy.

I can easily make 10-15% a year on my money investing, so that $66k downpayment actually means I would lose $6.6k-9.9k in annual income.

"Easily make 10-15% a year" .... until the market corrects and you lose 50%.

I said easily, I didn't say risk free. I also didn't say put everything in stocks. Stocks are extremely overpriced at the moment, and only a small of my portfolio are in them. Investing is a hobby I spend some time on each week.

I'm just pointing out that you should calculate the gain you could personally make from your capital and account for that in your decision.

Part of that equation is the time and knowledge required to invest that successfully, which not everyone has whether the time, the knowledge, or the time to acquire the knowledge.

If I could easily make 10-15% a year investing on top of my job, I'd do that. Maybe I'm just not as gifted as you.

Sorry, you're right. It's impossible to do - my bad. Ask any wealthy person (who enjoys finance) how they don't achieve those gains.

I don't know why you think I insinuated it was impossible. I'm not a wealthy person who enjoys finance so it's reasonable that I would not expect to see gains like that.

How do you make an easy 10 to 15%?

Stocks, bonds, currencies, property, alternative assets (i.e. acquire a profitable something, invest in passive income assets such as solar energy SPVs, music royalties, etc)

It still takes a time investment to achieve that. There's no free lunch.

> There's no free lunch.

Indeed. It's not at all easy to make 10%+ on a recurring basis.

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