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I'm not sure how you can see "tits or GTFO" as a fair response when so many on 4chan readily identify themselves as male with no consequence. Furthermore, they also frequently identify themselves as straight based on the pictures they submit or the stories about their latest success or failure with girls. Economic status also frequently comes out, at least partially, when someone discusses the gadgets / games / toys they can or cannot afford.

So some identifiers are apparently OK. But it's beyond the pale to reveal openly as female in your anonymous paradise. "Show me your tits or shut the fuck up!" And you think this is perfectly good and inclusive?

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Everyone gets called out on everything that might be wrong on 4chan (mostly /b/). Even a perfectly normal being will be called out on whatever, simply because they can.

"Tits or GTFO" is used because it has a lot higher success rate than one would imagine. It detracts greatly from being able to have actual discussions, but if you're on /b/ you waddle through it.

I would say the response "Tits or GTFO" is not so much as to say that "we aren't interested in your gender" as the more popular ending of a post "I'm a grill btw" was. This was a play on people that, when telling a story or asking a question, where their gender played no role at all, stated their gender for no reason other than to gather attention.

>they also frequently identify themselves as straight

They also frequently identify themselves as gay. I have seen more gay shit on 4chan without trying than any other website I have ever been to in my entire life. It's not easy for a 13 year old boy to see three men making love while dressed up like bunny rabbits. But hey, that was the internet, and that was 4chan. You had/have truly free speech. The beauty of the old internet in which OP is talking about is that everyone is discriminated against equally. No one gets a pass. If you reveal who you are, you are opening up yourself to heavy criticism. This is true in the real world, people just aren't honest about it.

And the experience is often alienating for gay people because the images are paraded as gross or weird.

Source: I'm gay as heck.

I'm sorry but I have to call you a liar. 4chan even has a board dedicated for gay people. Keep in mind this board was around way before any of the social change that's come about in the last 5 years. I used to frequent /gifs as a teenager, and there were were always tons of gay gifs. They were not 'paraded as gross or weird'. They were just gay. As a straight person, I can tell you that there were a lot more gross and weird straight gifs than there were gay ones (cough beastiality cough). I really don't know if this is just your interpretation or if you are a liar like I'm accusing you of being. But your experience certainly does not speak for all gay people. And I find it difficult to believe that someone who's gay would feel alienated like you claim.

>>But your experience certainly does not speak for all gay people.

You're right. I don't speak for all gay people and that's why I said often. I certainly have talked to a lot of gay people about this topic.

So you find it difficult to believe someone who's gay would feel alienated by 4chan. What is that belief based on exactly?

/b/ used to actively mock heterosexual guys who were weirded out by all the gay porn and general naked dudes on there. I think they've suffered a certain amount of cultural drift/rot over the last few years though.

Men on 4chan usually get called out for not being able to attract females or generally just not being masculine enough. A lot of the time the insults seem to sting almost as much (or, to be completely honest, just as much in my opinion) as the "tits or gtfo" comments. I think this comment applies to those situations as well.

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