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What I don't understand is why us Europeans have to pay for the adventurism of the NATO; I wish all the refugees moved to Israel and the US, to be honest.

Once again Putin is right, and this uncovers how a permanent conflict at the arab world is in the interest of the NATO and the US/Israel-aligned world overall.

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What I don't get is why being a war refugee entitles you to claim asylum in any country, even if you passed several peaceful countries in the process. It would make much more sense to have refugees claim asylum in neighboring countries, to maximize cultural coherence, ease a move back home once the country can rebuild, and to stop incentivizing people to risk their life going from a safe country to another safe country with more benefits.

If any war in the world will result in mass migration to just the richest countries with the most elaborate welfare states, then you'll just end up with fewer rich welfare states in the long run. Be careful what you wish for.

The rich countries in the region are more interested in slave labor rather than desperate refugees. The refugees are making the rational choice here, i don't believe they are driven out of some greedy interest.

You do realize that Europe is part of the US aligned world and the only thing preventing Europe from becoming Putin's playground is NATO?

Aligned? That's why they won't allow us Europeans to vote NO to TTIP and they have to discuss and approve it in secrecy. The citizens of Europe are not aligned with anyone. We've had enough with two WW.

Holy fuck people get confused. Exactly how are Americans stopping you from voting? You don't think Europe and the US are aligned? Hate can be blinding. Has a there ever been even a single EU candidate that ran on an anti-US platform? If not why not?

> Exactly how are Americans stopping you from voting?

Who said “Americans”? I’m just saying “they”, and “they” are the bribed politicians [0] (both in the US and Europe). “They” don’t want us to vote [1] because they know We (the citizens) are not aligned with everything that USA or ANYONE says and does.

> Hate can be blinding. Has a there ever been even a single EU candidate that ran on an anti-US platform?

LOL, who is telling you that being neutral is being anti-american? chillax dude. I’m just anti-war and anti-media-bullshit, like any libertarian able to read between the lines (even american ones [2]).

Get your facts straight.

[0] http://venturebeat.com/2015/09/04/creative-commons-founder-l...

[1] http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/09/ttip-biggest-th...

[2] http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/

There is no vote on TPIP because there is no TPIP. When negotiators agree on what TPIP is, so that there is actually something to vote on, it will be voted on by whatever body normally votes on laws in most countries.

It is clear who tou meant when you said they, but I can see why you want to backtrack. And despite popular confusion it will be voted on so Europeans will have only their own government to blame if it passes.

Because you can't win an election without the blessing of the media, and guess who controls it.

I would rather allow Europe to become Putin's playground than to allow the current situation to continue.

I hope you get your wish.

Please keep your tinfoil-hat antisemitism off HN.

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