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> Do we hate him because of DOGE?

Musk wants Ukraine to submit to Russia: https://www.npr.org/2022/10/04/1126714896/elon-musk-ukraine-...

He wants Taiwan to submit to China: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/08/elon-musk...

He thinks America is full of complacency and entitlement whereas China rocks: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/31/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-china-ro...

He has pledged his commitment to China's core socialist values: https://www.mediaite.com/news/elon-musk-signs-letter-pledgin...

And so on and so on. There's lots to choose from.

China and Russia used to think they had to beat America.

Then they hoped America would beat itself.

I bet they never expected America to turn into an ally.

How much time do you really think he's putting into running Tesla these days?

He's not running it. Tesla employees call him a "pigeon CEO" because "he comes in, shits all over us, and then leaves":

https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/elon-musk-pigeon-ceo-former-t...

All Musk does these days is actively damage the brand and lose sales:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/25/tesla-sal...

Yes, yes. According to Musk Tesla's best days are always ahead:

https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/

So.. CNN is doing good, well sourced journalism?

> I lean Right myself

But surely not this far right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smQNNo2a9xc

> have seen the MSM been caught in lie after lie after lie over the past 20 years

You mean like Musk has told lie after lie over the past 20 years?

> Going after bureaucracy and government efficiency is incredibly important

Nothing DOGE is doing is about efficiency. They're not trying to understand or improve any of it. They're just haphazardly throwing it away. Like this with ebola prevention:

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-suggests-he-alone-decides-what...

Or you could simply find plenty of criticism of Trump on CNN's website which would invalidate the concern.

Okay, but what's a real world example of that happening on CNN's website today?

What's an example of that pivot from CNN's website today?

Use Firefox. uBlock Origin works best in Firefox:

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

Because he was bored after he proved 1 + 1 = 2:

https://www.storyofmathematics.com/20th_russell.html/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principia_Mathematica

China will consider it encouraging for their ambition to take Taiwan.

Musk has advocated for Taiwan to submit to China:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/08/elon-musk...

Musk turned on Farage: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70ep8lp4jjo

Which came as a surprise to Farage who had previously welcomed and endorsed Musk's desire to interfere in UK politics: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1kez8d2dygo

Musk is going to be a speaker at Y Combinator's AI Startup School event: https://events.ycombinator.com/ai-sus

Attendees should ask him about the bias in his systems and whether that bias is building a better or a worse world.

But given that the attendees will be "hand picked" maybe they won't ask such questions.

If companies can't pay a living wage or live up to basic requirements then they are inefficient, pointless companies that have a bad business model.

If companies are premised on the expectation that governments will fill the gap between what the company pays and what people need in order to simply live then those companies are premised on taxpayer funded government handouts.

You probably don't think of yourself as a socialist but what you're arguing for is socialism. And not only socialism but the worst kind of socialism: corporate welfare.

That's what's happening now.

The FBI has been asked to fill out a survey about the January 6 insurrection, presumably to get rid of people who did their job:

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/02/fbi-agents-official...

The Trump administration is screening people based on who they voted for and whether they have the correct ideology. You must pass the loyalty test:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/07/us/politics/trump-adminis...

https://apnews.com/article/trump-loyalty-white-house-maga-ve...

Wozniak would be a better choice.

No, Musk admires China because he is an authoritarian at heart.

> what is different this time around? Why is politics suddenly a relevant topic here?

Because the tech sector is now explicitly and unabashedly political.

Musk, for example, is flipping fascist salutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smQNNo2a9xc

And censoring speech: https://www.techdirt.com/2025/02/03/musk-shows-us-what-actua...

And helpfully calling an astronaut "fully retarded":

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/20/elon-musk-iss-deorb...

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1892584783064052114

And seeking to wreck Wikipedia, one of the internet's greatest projects: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2025/02/elon-...

And mocking a blind man who disagrees with him for being blind: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/02/17/elon-mu...

And threatening companies with government interference if they don't advertise on Twitter: https://www.wsj.com/business/media/x-hinted-at-possible-deal...

And so on and so on. It's grubby stuff.

This is what so much of the tech industry is now. You can't be afraid to look at what it has become.

Barbara Broccoli thinks the people at Amazon are "fucking idiots":

https://www.wsj.com/business/media/james-bond-movies-amazon-...

Amazon has apparently solved the problem by pushing her out.

> I may be wrong about that, but we will have to wait to find out.

You are wrong.

> That's a trope, indeed already a cliché

Dude, that you think you might be right demonstrates that you haven't been paying attention.

Musk doesn't just have form, he's going for the record.

There will be a stink around Y Combinator's AI Startup School event. Musk will bring the stink with him.

And the source of that stink may be as simple as attendees having family members sacked by DOGE. Or it might be because he's of such weak character that he lies about being good at video games. Or perhaps it will be America's sell out of Ukraine, something Musk has advocated for:

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/04/1126714896/elon-musk-ukraine-...

There's lots to choose from.

No one forgets Zuckerberg thinks Facebook users are dumb fucks: https://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-im...

They won't forget Musk's fascist salutes either. If anything, Musk's salutes have been more public, have done more brand damage, and have revealed worse character.

Musk and Zuckerberg are showing you who and what they are.

Pay attention.

She'd probably think, "Gee whiz! I'm glad my browser has a zoom function and a reader mode!"

Y Combinator has the opportunity to ask those questions in four months time: https://events.ycombinator.com/ai-sus

I'm curious to see if they do.

> HN users wanting to preserve HN for its intended purpose of intellectual curiosity

Curiosity is sustained and long term. Curiosity is being willing to understand things completely.

What you're arguing for is novelty and distraction. That is shallow thinking, not curious thinking.

A month ago after Musk's fascist salutes you said, "This sort of flare-up always feels absolutely critical in the moment—how can one possibly justify not dropping everything to orbit around it?—and then vanishes. Their half life is so brief that I'm surprised people don't notice how ephemeral they are. They come in an endless sequence, and they aren't what HN is supposed to be for. They're also not that hard to resist; it's not as if this is a borderline call."

You were clearly wrong. It hasn't vanished. You should be curious about that.

In four months Y Combinator will hold an AI Startup School event with speakers including Musk: https://events.ycombinator.com/ai-sus

Bias is a real problem in AI systems. Will you be at the event? What questions will you put to Musk about his biases and how they will be reflected in Grok?

Be curious. Ask those questions.

These two books by Sean Carroll might be good starting points. They're more technical than the usual popular science books but they assume no prior knowledge beyond high school algebra:

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/biggestideas/

What do you think history is for? History is an explanation of the present.

This is history. History is not in your list.

> all other nations would 1) formally declare war on Russia 2) start conventional open hostilities on Russian forces to defend Ukrainian territorial integrity

There are six obligations in the Budapest Memorandum. Your two aren't part of it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/P...

Russia signed as well. Russia broke with their obligations when they annexed Crimea in 2014 and again with their further invasion of Ukraine in 2022.

And if they know, so what? The mere fact of being fired for doing the right thing will wreck your life?

They're resigning at the point they would be fired anyway.

It's not entitlement, it's doing the right thing for as long as you can.