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Is it? I recently paid $999 for a pre-build intel mini-pc system thats best case in line in perf with a M2 from four years ago. That seems roughly the same as what I'd paid for an equivalent mac mini in the past, and I thought prices for custom builds were going up quite a bit too?

FWIW, I am partial to eGPUs not for laptop gaming but for space. I want to write cuda kernels at home but I dont want a big tower. I have a Minisforum mini-pc the size of an M4 Mac Mini attached to one of those egpu enclosures and the whole setup was pretty easy and sits on my desk nicely.

> Man, Apple fans are still proving the stereotype to be accurate after 20 years.

Who is this straw man you're flogging?

> Ignoring the fact that the Mac OS gets in your way every time you try to do something that Apple doesn't like, with no guarantee that an update won't break anything existing, ignoring the fact that Macs are non repairable, non upgradable, ignoring the fact that they don't support multiple displays flawlessly,

Lot to unpack there, most of it does not matter to most normies. When I bought my current mini-pc to drive my egpu I didn't focus on any of this stuff. Just about all I looked for was something that can drive a gpu over TB4/5 and has good perf/watt in a small form factor.

> I hope you realize that egpu support natively is NEVER coming to Macs, because why the fuck would they enable it when they can just charge you full price for a desktop computer?

Sounds like you are more hopeful they wont than I am that they will. They've already enabled RDMA over TB5 for ML applications, and they've left their boot loader open enough for the asahi community to reverse engineer tons of functionality.

I do think eventually there will be some form of GPGPU programing popularized on the mac that isn't Metal (gross).

> Apple is built on the sole image that Apple users have money, so buying another Mac Mini or Mac Pro in addition to your laptop is what you are supposed to do.

I think you have a very specific use case in mind, chiefly gaming. There's a lot more eGPUs offer, and it has nothing to do with turning your normie laptop into a sick gaming rig.

> Android is way ahead of Mac with Android Desktop mode and Samsung Dex, to the point where you don't even need to own a laptop anymore. Ive been using my S24/S25 with lapdock for over 3 years now as a laptop, and it works flawlessly. Apple can easily do this with iPhone, but they won't because that means one less macbook purchase.

I fail to see how Android is relevant in this context at all? For one, the arm64 hardware would have to exceed the single thread and perf per watt of an M5 and secondly you'd actually need tools and applications worth using for desktop use.

I am seeing some of the newer AMD 370/395 and Intel Ultra 7/9 socs as being much more of a serious alternative to the M4/5 here. In fact my current eGPU setup is an Ultra 9 mini-pc with an egpu, its just a shame im still on x86.

I’m not talking about games, I think a Mac mini on a rtx pro 4000 would be a nicer experience than a g10 is all.

Once egpus work on Apple Silicon there will be little reason to own a pc

This is as ridiculous as that study Volkswagen did to try to prove their cars diesel emissions might be good for the health of an ape.

People are bozos for wanting more from a glorified egg timer. I like Siri myself.

Can it be much more simple of a reason and that tuis fit into many of our existing tmux based work flows?

I definitely see a strong demand for a 11” 1kg macbook with these policies inevitably spreading.

They do employ former malware writers to work on some of this stuff from what i hear.

ASLR (for example) is a pretty standard technique, I thought all commercial OSes enabled this generally. What's the purpose of picking at this portion?

Exactly. That and in game currencies. You like competing in games, or for game-bucks? Well you need some level of obfuscation and hardening to make that viable.

Couldn’t someone do a similar story about scripting on windows, and make Jeffrey Snover one of the punchlines?

It is kind of a bummer they never supported Cuda/HIP GPGPU using those slots.

How is this dropping the ball? I think they dropped the ball a long time ago by waiting until M5 to do integrated tensor cores instead of the separate ANE only which was present before.

For multi-gpu you can network multiple Macs at high speed now. Their biggest disadvantage to Nvidia right now is that no one wants to do kernel authoring in Metal. AMD learned that the hard way when they gave up on OpenCL and built HIP.

people don’t use chrome because ads are annoying and because google ads on the front page led them into scam sites. Or because chrome is inefficient. That’s the only reason anyone seems to use brave or safari anyways.

If you want people to stop using a thing, make a better thing. These moralistic and political arguments only make you look and sound weak.

You know what sounds weak? “Don’t eat at chicken fila because of politics blah blah blah” But you know what wins customers? Popeyes _MF_!

> to the point of being fairly uncomfortable after listening for any longer amount of time.

#1 reason I use the Sony XM4/XM6. Sometimes I wonder if they intentionally do this to appeal to a younger crowd cause as an older person with neck issues it’s just not a very good product.

The audio quality of the Sonys is just as good but the comfort is a much better. I think I like the mic on the AirPods Max better but the mic on the MacBook I use in meetings works as well for meetings.

I actually really like that certain windows have a different corner radius. It wraps around the chrome of the app properly.

If you made it this far, know I am totally messing with you. It really is unnerving.

> Could they not have upstreamed those features in the first place?

Often when you are working on a downstream code base either you are inheriting the laziness of non-upstreaming of others or you are dealing with an upstream code base that’s really opinionated and doesn’t want many of your teams patches. It can vary, and I definitely empathize.

This looks good

This entire thread is a demonstration in how doomed we are.

With any luck, this new computer can usher in an era of folks not having to port anything to windows.

It's almost as if they weren't lying when they said dropping it in the phone was a waterproofing measure. I guess people aren't dropping their laptops in pools all the time.

This guy gets it. Yes bingo. It's the VFS' filters/ACLs support afaik.

WSL is the best way to avoid all the Windows slowness as far as the VFS and the forking overhead.

This shouldn't be surprising. macOS has a faster filesystem+VFS than Windows, and the single thread perf of the M4 beats most PC cpus. I'm not sure what linker rust uses, but the apple native ld64/ldPrime is also pretty fast as far as linkers go.

Windows is also slow enough at forking, that clang has "in-process CC1" mode because of it.

I guess PCs and chromebooks are over? Literally what normie would pay more for a worse experience now?

Not yet. They got Wayland to boot in software rendering mode.

Depends on your definition. Most things apart from touchid and usb-display work really well on M1-M2.