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Klaus Knopper, now that’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time.

I have to assume "thoughtful frontier labs" is either a pretty small lab, or a place holder for a lab that doesn't exist. So many of these anti-meta posts come off as based entirely in the feelings of opinionated techies rather than actual reality.

Nope, just got confused who was replying to who in this thread while loading site from mobile.

Yes

All I asked for was specific examples while acknowledging what I hated about the platforms progression.

How so? Most of the hardcore encryption stuff was built at Facebook under the founder's supervision afaik for the purposes of making it harder for Zuck to inevitably ruin the privacy aspects.

I personally don't use it, because it _is_ loaded with engagement bait but its not all worse and is better in some ways.

What are these "thoughtful" frontier labs you speak of? I see Meta folks going to the big ones all the time. Ton of former PyTorch/Inductor folks now are at Ant/TM etc.

Everyone I know in the GPU compiler/GPGPU space seems to be either going to meta or leaving meta for NV or some AI lab. My anecdotal observations don't align with "bin meta applicants straight to the trash."

I was thinking the same thing

I wanted to add:

* Adobe -> macOS

* Games with kernel anti-cheat -> mostly exist on PS5

* Office 365 -> Wasn't the point to make it cross-plat when they went services route (web, mac, ios)? Also, Wine.

What is this hard hitting class of applications that can't be addressed either by a mac, a Linux PC, or a console?

I'm not saying Windows has no purpose, but I do think the hard hitting killer application cohort is wearing thinner than it ever has.

Doesn't this game run fine on PS? Do the profiles not migrate between PC and console?

Gpus of course

Adobe works on Mac, games with anti-cheat are a thin class of applications and they’re not productivity, Office 365 is on everything I thought (iPad, Mac, web).

Most everything else runs great in wine.

What more is there?

I have not needed to use windows for anything productive for 15 years.

I just want thunderbolt pci passthrough for these things.

Back in the day I accidentally deleted all my stuff because I had it all in a special dir of this user in suse Linux. When I deleted the user, yast deleted everything.

Fortunately I was using ReiserFS at the time and something about its murderous tree data structure made it trivial to undelete.

Reiser_fsck found ALL my stuff, mostly with full dir tree structure in tact and put it all in lost+found

Yeah this is why it’s important to get something with similar programmability for less money. I don’t need the power of a gb300 just to do experiments with tma or “tcgen05” instructions

What are these things going to cost? I hope not the same as a mac equivalent or as much as a dgx.

Geekbench cpu bench leaks indicate they aren’t as good as m3 at single core even.

Will they support booting into a Linux installer?

The only Question is is it worth suffering hip and x86? I suspect a lot of folks might like a machine that mimics their GB300 But costs less than a dgx.

Also I heard the tensor core instructions on the dgx are gimped and you’re better off with a rtx pro x000. Is that the same with these machines?

What about the desktop version? It seemed like it is not a dgx since it has the CPUs cores done by mediatek

I heard leaked geekbench putting it behind the m3, which is couple years old now.

All I care about is if I can get one of these for significantly less than a dgx and get Linux on it for some cuda Blackwell kerneling.

I must say I have not touched mine definitely in 2 years or more. The product is just shameful.

> Apple is a fashion company. They don't care about improving usability of any of their devices. The most important thing is to them is selling a lifestyle.

I don’t think you read what I said, or you are intentionally being dense. My point is that users and the industry have largely moved on from the modular pc box concept. Those who cling to it do it out of a sense of identity.

> They don't care about improving usability of any of their devices.

Do you have any metrics to back that up? As far as I can see they’ve built what is a pretty good platform that still supports native applications for normal people on hardware that is improving ~.5-1.5x every year. Even if I ran Linux 100% of the time I’d likely go with their (used) hardware.

> having an external gpu is too nerdy for a lifestyle of an apple user

I used to think this, but then when they brought arm64 to laptops they brought macOS not iOS. They did that because the Mac IS for nerds be it for video editing, publishing, software development, Unix it sysadmin stuff etc. Even the last time they brought egpu to the Mac the first time, it was for something as niche as the whole vr wave. I could see them doing it for ml compute in the future. I doubt they will bring graphics along but wouldn’t Be surprised if there’s more developments like the tinygrad driver (which was literally signed by Apple, so it already discounts your absurd claim).

> Same thing of having a phone plugged into a monitor and keyboard. Thats why all their products are separate.

Again, what are you on about with phones? Phones don’t matter.

I also had several of them (2, 3, pro). Same experience. I worked in the org for a time myself too. You are right that the qa is terrible. Those people don’t even bother addressing feedback from internal posts.

Nothing about the quest has ever worked well, I suspect if this were ever deployed it would actually save lives by getting in the way of actual warfare.

Beautiful. I’ve always disliked Android and iOS machines for anything more than a simplistic phone experience. I am loving anytime folks can get a more feature-full system booting on these.

It's a little unclear why you are discussing desktop mode on phones in all this? Seems really irrelevant when the thread is about NV gpus on arm desktops.

When it comes to Apple hardware, they're offering pretty good performance per watt and the machine form factors they are offering with the level of perf they have is where I really start to care (small compact footprint with good perf, runs any kind of unix/unix-like system).

You may well be right, and we may not see productized eGPUs in mass on Apples platforms, but I am liable to go grab a GB10 over some PC tower at that point.

As far as the software stack and OS, its also kind of irrelevant (to me anyways). If the hardware is good and the OS has decent performance for builds and jobs I am going to use it to do my work. The rest of it is just fashion as far as I can tell.

I am definitely enjoying mine, but I've found for what I do some of the hosted kernel writing tools are easier to deal with. I actually had to do a ton of work arounds for my tb5 egpu on Linux recently for it to not drop off the pci bus every ~48 hours.

That's understandable.

What would be native enough here? What if they got Asahi working with NV gpus for rendering and running cuda kernels? Would eGPU on asahi be sufficient or do you really only see pcie worthwhile?

Some of us mainly want more gpu options on a high performance consumer arm machine (for Linux).

Depends. I put it on an M1, and that soc is quite good at running linux.