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The browser designs look identical to Arc, yes, but the website of these two new “Arc responses” also look the same, down to the background color.

I got Shingles around age 30 which is pretty uncommon. I was really lucky, it presented as rash on my upper back, more on one side than the other. I did not know what it was and I had no pain or itching. One day I got a mild fever out of nowhere. The fever went away pretty quickly and it wasn't until a few days later when the blisters started popping that I felt horrible pain but that was only for the better part of half a day. The rash completely healed and I have no remaining issues from it that I'm aware of. I'm so fortunate I had a mild case and I would hate to get it when I am older. My doctor said it's unlikely to reoccur now before I get the vaccine at 50, thank goodness.

This is also outdated. Gorhill did release uBlock Origin Lite for iOS Safari.

Would at least like to use it for stop and go traffic, which is about the only thing I trust FSD for.

Download more ram!

Motion smoothing is awful.

They clearly did.

Isn't that just the right thing to do, statistically? Vegas has been operating profitably this way for decades.

.ai expensive these days too

Isn't that still priced via API usage?

It needs to be incorporated into the robots.txt standard.

Congrats on the launch! Given you were in YC S21, when AI was much more under the radar, did you recently pivot? I'm guessing it wasn't a 4 year road to launch.

It was never a secret that shopping extensions monetized through affiliate. Merchants certainly know what they’re signing up for.

I guess you never got a PS2/PS3/PS4/PS5? Sometimes, the internals are the right thing to upgrade. And there definitely is some hardware innovations. I look forward to learning more!

Hey that's totally fair, appreciate the feedback.

People should also be angry at all these other extensions and companies, they’re complicit and just as bad. But the source of change needs to come from the affiliate networks, who dictate the rules.

My account is 11 years old. How dare I try to share a perspective as somebody who worked in the affiliate industry.

I posted it twice because there’s multiple comments covering the same thing.

You can look at my post history. I’m just trying to give an industry perspective. I’m not supporting what Honey or any shopping extension does.

I agree it's a problem. I believe the affiliate networks should switch to first-click or multi-click attribution. Problem solved.

They do this to not interrupt the purchase flow, not to be scummy. Opening a tab in the foreground or refreshing the page is extremely annoying to users and merchants request it to be in the background so it doesn't hurt their conversion.

I never said Honey doesn't override cookies. I'm not saying this isn't a problem, it's just not a Honey-specific problem. If the affiliate networks used first-click or multi-click attribution, none of this would be an issue.

I don't know anyone over there anymore, just a few people back before they were acquired, from when I worked in the industry. I'm just trying to provide an industry perspective.

I'm not saying this isn't a problem, it's just not a Honey-specific problem. If he actually wanted to influence change, he should cover the affiliate networks responsible for dictating this behavior (CJ, Impact, Rakuten, Awin, etc). The extensions are forced to comply by their rules.

You can replicate his same case and see for yourself. Click an affiliate link and go to checkout. Honey won't pop-up like normal.

He doesn't provide the context for what his timescale is for his specific case. He cites that it can be up to 30 days later and Honey will still take the commission, which is true, but most merchants don't honor any cookies that are older than a day anyways.

I'm not saying this isn't a problem, it's just not a Honey-specific problem. If he actually wanted to influence change, he should cover the affiliate networks responsible for dictating this behavior (CJ, Impact, Rakuten, Awin, etc). The extensions are forced to comply by their rules.

I already agreed the affiliate industry has issues (and is part of the reason I left). If they switched to first-click or multi-click attribution, none of this would be a problem.

But I am just saying it's not a Honey problem, the blame is focused on the wrong place. If they want things to change, they should direct their rage at the companies who make the rules.

I heard that vague snippet from the podcast in the video. From my time in the affiliate space (which was a few years ago), Honey would not let merchants delete a code unless it was an employee or internal code. If it was publicly available, they refused to delete a code without providing an equivalent exclusive code. Maybe that policy has changed? If so, that's definitely bad, but I have no way to confirm that and I don't see any proof.

But they are allowed to claim attribution even if they don't find a coupon. Merchants know this when partnering with Honey. Most of the time, even if users don't find a coupon, they still get cash back which is funded through the commission.

Like I said, the affiliate industry is pretty wack and that's why I left it, but this is far from a scam.

They don't just swap out everyone's cookies. They comply their the affiliate network's "stand down" policies. Which means they don't actively try to poach commissions in the same shopping session. These are terms everyone agrees to, including creators. If it's the next day, most merchants don't pay out for referrals older than 24 hours anyways.

So like I said, there are some legitimate problems with the affiliate industry, but the rage should be directed at the affiliate networks that dictate the terms. They could easily switch to first click attribution which would solve this problem.

Why do you assume they are always stealing a referral from somebody? Do you think everything people buy comes from a prior affiliate link? Yes, Honey makes money from affiliate commission. That money is funded by the merchants who voluntarily choose to partner with Honey. How is that scammy?

In the rare case there is a prior referral, yes last click attribution comes into play. But that's the same for every shopping extension (Rakuten, Capital One, etc). The extensions have to comply with the affiliate network's "stand down" policies, which means they can't just automatically pop-up and actively try to poach the commission if it's within the same shopping session. And they all comply. MegaLag focuses on a very niche case of going back to the merchant in the same month.

Source: I worked in the affiliate industry for a few years

This video is just rage bait and weaponizing creators and their fans by singling out Honey and not providing any additional context. Anybody in the affiliate industry knows how last click attribution works. This isn't new or specific to Honey. CapitalOne Shopping, Rakuten, RetailMeNot...they all work the same way. Merchants partner with these shopping extensions knowing how they work, nobody forces them to do so.

The affiliate networks (CJ, Impact, etc) are the ones who determine what attribution method to use, shopping extensions just comply. The vast majority of shopping sessions don't have any prior attribution and merchants fund all of these commissions (nothing is taken from a creator or a user). Yeah, it does seem like the codes Honey has have gotten worse in recent years, probably just a consequence of PayPal acquiring them and not giving it any attention (and layoffs). But the example MegaLag points out of finding a better code on a coupon website DOES THE SAME THING AS HONEY (overides the attribution).

So are there some problems with the affiliate industry? Probably. But calling Honey a "scam" seems completely unfair and lacks critical thinking. It's saved me thousands of dollars over the years.

Honey specifically asks the user if they want to share the code and tries to make sure it's not employee code. No need to jump to conclusions.