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Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. “Extremely capable model that can find exploits” has always been a fear, and the first company to release it in public will cause bloodbath. But also the first company that will prove itself.

If you make a working and functional bad code, and put it on maintenance mode, it can keep churning for decades with no major issues.

Everything depends on context. Most code written by humans is indeed, garbage.

More of a “it’s an honourable job, and I respect people who do it, but personally I wouldn’t do it” kinda thing.

Status is ingrained in the culture. What you do, which neighbourhood you live in Tokyo, what school you went to and etc. matters a lot to a random person.

Man, what are you on about? Conservatism here is much different than NA’s conservatism. Japan has a lot of problems, but the ones you’re rambling about are kinda… weird?

Sorry, how are gay couples treated in Japan? People are conservative here, so no marriage, but from all gay couples I know here, they’re doing fine. Now, you can talk about PDA, but that kinda includes the straight couples as well to a point.

Almost nobody was betting in the black market before the legalization. Sure you obviously had some people, but friction was big enough where it was not worth it. Right now, there isn’t a single game where people are talking about the bets they made in NA.

Nothing should be black and white. Even for alcohol and drug abuse, we should look at each and evaluate.

I’ve been solely mac user for the past 15+ years, and have no idea what this thread is talking about. I think, as the other person said, we make assumptions on what’s a problem for others, when in reality, it’s not a big deal.

Have you seen Facebook's code quality? Have you seen any-big Chinese corpo code? There are a lot of very profitable businesses in the world with endless amount of tech debt. But tech debt is not necessarily a big deal in most scenarios. Obviously I'm not talking about mission critical software, but for general consumer/business software, it's fine. The hard part is understanding where you can cut the costs / add debt, and that comes from requirement gathering.

We will still work ~8ish hours that day, and time will pass anyways.

All these arguments somehow disregards that we’ve all been adding technical debt left and right, every other day to every single codebase in existence. Humans also write sloppy code.

The argument is “it’s not crap if it works and does what it’s supposed to do relatively well, and it doesn’t matter how it’s written under the hood”.

Have you seen large consumer products’ codebases?… Companies like Google are tiniest exceptions when it comes to code gatekeeping and quality.

If you follow the “stock price is the golden indicator of company’s well being attitude”, then over-hiring at that point was a great decision. And cutting the headcount is also a great decision right now. So they did nothing wrong.

I personally don’t agree with this, but it’s easy to say “overhiring was bad”, when at that point, it might’ve been a great business decision. Things just have changed now.

And those bugs were semi-fixed and people are still using it. So speed of fixes are there.

I can’t comment on Claude Desktop, sorry. Personally haven’t used it much.

The token usage looks like is intentional.

And I agree about the underlying model being the moat. If there’s something marginally better that comes up, people will switch to it (myself included). But for now it’s doing the job, despite all the hiccups, code quality and etc.

The same functionality can be copied over in a week most likely. The moat is experimentation and new feature releases with the underlying model. An engineer would not be able to experiment with the same speed.

Again, no clue what you’re talking about. The only time I had to deal with shit was when I was travelling a bit sketchy countries. I get that “Cloudfare is verifying your connection” loading screen from time to time, but there’s no captchas involved.

Super majority of people don’t use VPNs, or rare browsers, or avoid fingerprinting and etc. When you browse like regular you don’t notice the friction. That’s the selling point of companies like CF, because website owners don’t want to lose real traffic.

“It works and it’s doing what it’s supposed to do” encompasses the idea that it’s also not doing what it’s not supposed to do.

Also “one bad incident away” never works in practice. The last two decades have shown how people will use the tools that get the job done no matter what kinda privacy leaks, destructive things they have done to the user.

I agree, there is obviously “complete burning trash” and there’s this. Ant team has got a system going on for them where they can still extend the codebase. When time comes to it, I’m assuming they would be able to rewrite as feature set would be more solid and assuming they’ve been adding tests as well.

Reverse-engineering through tests have never been easier, which could collapse the complexity and clean the code.

Genuinely I have no idea what you mean by buggy. Sure there are some problems here and there, but my personal threshold for “buggy” is much higher. I guess, for a lot of other people as well, given the uptake and usage.

Team has been extremely open how it has been vibe coded from day 1. Given the insane amount of releases, I don’t think it would be possible without it.

It really doesn’t matter anymore. I’m saying this as a person who used to care about it. It does what it’s generally supposed to do, it has users. Two things that matter at this day and age.

Content providers will not agree with this decision, because machine browsing = no ads. Until that gets resolved, I don’t see incentives to align, since any free search requires ads for continuous business.

Not even remotely true, I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. The only time I get captcha'ed is when I sometimes VPN around, or do some custom browser stuff and etc. I'll even say I get captcha'ed less now than maybe 5 years ago.

> How near a miss must we have (and how many)

The fun part is, there have been a lot of non-misses! Like a lot! A ton of data have been exfiltrated, a lot of attacks, and etc. In the end... it just didn't matter.

Your analogy isn't really apt either. My argument is closer to "given in the past decade+, nothing of worth has been harmed, should we require airbags and seatbelts for everything?". Obviously in some extreme mission critical systems you should be much smarter. But in 99% cases it doesn't matter.

> “high profile developer supply chain compromises”

And nothing big has happened despite all the risks and problems that came up with it. People keep chasing speed and convenience, because most things don’t even last long enough to ever see a problem.

I genuinely think people “care” about it (in quotes). It’s one of the things where nobody cares unless something bad happens, and when bad thing happens, they shrug it off and forget about it a week later.

I’d go as far as saying she’s right. And we’re in a tiny minority for even thinking about it.

One cool thing about reading different forums for decades is you get this instinct on spotting AI-generated content. Obviously not 100%, and if you tune your prompts properly it’s impossible to catch. However this just doesn’t sound human-y. No clue how to explain it.

But it also sucks because I’m sure I incorrectly tag some real comments as AI slop.

Have you been actively using paid versions of the flagship models from Ant / OpenAI? I’m just curious if the conclusion was made within the last 6 months or not.

You might need to pretend that you don’t need energy either!

I’m still not sure why there’s this general idea that people care about security/privacy. For critical systems, sure. But over the last decade, we’ve seen that an average person will always choose fun and convenience over security.

Even the analogy to free love is interesting, because sex in itself during that era was fun. Frankly it’s the same nowadays as well, we just figured out a way out of most of the diseases.