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themeekforgotpw··on TPP Leak Reveals Take-Down Measures Softened – But DRM Rules Remain Harsh
They aren't free trade negotiations. They are protectionist trade deals meant to exclude China from trade in its region as it rises. (China has been trying, similarly, to arrange ASEAN trade deals to exclude the United States).
themeekforgotpw··on CloudFlare Forced to Censor Anti-Censorship Site
It's a good question, but I think there's a pretty clear distinction between propaganda and trolling that is not just intent but has to do with the 'spin' of the information. The same vagaries that would allow the US to block a 'troll' from Russia - if they could not tell that it was propaganda - would cause them to block similar misgivings from the American population. This isn't the case. They can attribute propaganda to its progenitor. They use the label 'troll' and 'spam' for political reasons and reasons of civil affairs. However these terms are dishonest.
themeekforgotpw··on CloudFlare Forced to Censor Anti-Censorship Site
The United States has a threat intelligence system with patterns of malicious activity including malware and cyber attacks.

This threat intelligence system is also used to specify patterns of foreign propaganda. However, similar to the story above, patterns that are too broad can silence legitimate speech by citizens.

An example of this is stopfasttrack.com. Their domain name was similar to Russian propaganda, so then the switch was flipped to censor the Russian domain from Facebook, Twitter and popular email providers, their site was caught in the net as well.

They posted to Reddit about it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/duplicates/38pmg8/hey_re...

(The US government and NATO use the terms 'troll' and 'spam' as synonyms for foreign online propaganda)

themeekforgotpw··on FISA court rules NSA can resume bulk data collection
Caveat here that the crypto needs to actually be good, and key management and negotiation needs to be good, and key sizes and algo parameters need to be good, and that hardware needs to be good, and that key escrow systems ("Secure" Enclave, "Trusted" Platform Module) need to be good, you can not use computing services - everything must be done locally (the third party doctrine means that copies of this data must be kept to be made available), and the software stack must be kept secure and the hardware must be trusted.
themeekforgotpw··on Study Suggests Google Harms Consumers by Skewing Search Results
Since you seem to be interested, I'm sure you're aware of the vote manipulation studies at Facebook and funding link to the Air Force and DoD (MINERVA)?

https://www.google.com/search?q=61+million+experiment+social...

There are also - and I can go on about this for quite some time - programs and studies partially revealed by the Snowden docs but evidenced well beyond those documents that have the US investing resources into not only tracking the flow of ideas using large scale sentiment and social media analysis, but also curating and directing these ideas. While there is around 10 years of capability research regarding the online case, today DARPA has a research program called SMISC (Social Media in Strategic Communication; Strategic Communication is the DoD term for influence operations/propaganda) that studies how to measure the 'idea posture' of an online community and also how to control it. This combined with efforts like Operation EARNEST VOICE and the host of others does make an onlooker take the State Departments 'War of Ideas' concept much more seriously.

themeekforgotpw··on Study Suggests Google Harms Consumers by Skewing Search Results
https://wikileaks.org/wiki/US_Special_Forces_counterinsurgen...
themeekforgotpw··on Study Suggests Google Harms Consumers by Skewing Search Results
If you are asking about vote manipulation:

https://www.google.com/search?q=search+engine+manipulate+vot...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Search+Engine+Manipulation+E...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Lok+Sabha+election+research

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4004139/

themeekforgotpw··on Study Suggests Google Harms Consumers by Skewing Search Results
If you aren't worried about the customer case you need be aware of nation state interest in partnering with search engines and content curators - not just to censor - but to deceive and manipulate. The leaked US Special Forces document on Wikileaks does not mentioned Google but does talk about putting adversaries in an information bubble that will make it look like they've lost public support for their cause. They expand this bubble around not only the adversary, but their family and close friends.

The way the US military works in large and increasing part is that it works with US corporations to achieve these effects. Given the complaints by other countries of weaponization of Google/Facebook and studies done on using search engine results to manipulate voting we should keep our eyes peeled that Google continues to 'not be evil'.

themeekforgotpw··on Fighting spam with Haskell
Definitely not all strategic communications could be detected and blocked. However some research has been tasked on the issue. Take "Antisocial Behavior in Online Discussion Communities" (http://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.00680v1.pdf). This paper, though it terms it 'antisocial', studies online influence operations and is mentioned on NATO's propaganda ("strategic communication") centre for excellence Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/StratComCOE).

The point of having a rule set that can be pushed to like the system described here is that it can be fed information from a centralized task force. Indeed, these systems are used across industries with patterns and rules to detect malware, hacking, and a host of other activity (using formats such as STIX or TAXI).

It's unlikely that Facebook itself would be trying to determine whether a post to some content is propaganda - it's more likely that their automated system will apply the rules it receives from information defense agencies.

As per your other note, the selective censorship of information is absolutely a form a propaganda of its own. Facebook (and the US government) don't have the best history here and have 100% certifiably censored information to prevent effective organization of (for example) May Day protests. I'm not going to go speak about that at length here - hoping to get some technical clarity from those involved.

themeekforgotpw··on Fighting spam with Haskell
The question was serious. Malicious actions could certainly include propaganda operations and indeed there has been a growing investment across social networks to block content specific to certain ideas considered dangerous, disinformation and misinformation.

My guess is actually that, yes, this system has rules (and gets live feeds of them) to block certain political content associated with influence operations. But I was hoping to get a more serious, direct and charitable answer from someone who works on the system.

themeekforgotpw··on Fighting spam with Haskell
Does this system also detect propaganda operations?
themeekforgotpw··on WikiLeaks Begins Releasing Leaked Saudi Arabia Cables
This is true, I would expect a number of countries to be able to pull it off if they were inclined to. Iran, Russia, China, Syria, US, Turkey, Iraq, Saudi Arabia. Those are the choices. Palestine is very unlikely - though they have used video games in the past. Since the target is Syria it rules out China and Russia and Syria. Iraq is in essence a provincial government and isn't do that on its own accord. Iran could, but they aren't in the video game making business. Neither is Saudi Arabia. Given the DoD's investment in expanding propaganda operations to new media including video games, the US makes a lot of sense - though it would make some sense too if it was joint with Turkey.

No smoking gun and not strong enough evidence to assume it, but it's not a crazy speculation.

themeekforgotpw··on WikiLeaks Begins Releasing Leaked Saudi Arabia Cables
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937641/ISIS-fighter...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/27/us-airdrops-ant...

Search "Syria propaganda", "Syria video game propaganda" and if you want technical stuff "strategic communication video game". The past ten years or so of DoD propaganda planning has involved elements of and investments in video games (they already match Hollywood for industry size and are projected to grow; they are also great for propaganda - one NSA assessment was leaked by the journalists working with Snowden).

This one is a speculation. All of the pieces are there. The technology and tactics are right, PSYOPs is now mainstream with conventional warfare (it's included in an umbrella term called 'hybrid warfare': IO and Conventional that includes the gambit of information warfare including electronic, espionage and psychological), Psychological Operations work in Syria has been disclosed by many channels - it's not really a secret. Jordan and Egypt are on that list but the document I saw was only about Twitter campaigns.

Anyway I've ranted. It's speculative. It's just not absurd or a leap at all.

themeekforgotpw··on WikiLeaks Begins Releasing Leaked Saudi Arabia Cables
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-...

"The West, Gulf Countries, and Turkey support the opposition; while Russia, China and Iran support the regime."

"If the situation unravels there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared salafist principality in Eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the shia expanison (Iraq and Iran)."

Released during a FOIA lawsuit (on special forces work in Syria). ["JW v Defense State 00812 court order"].

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judic...

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Judicial_Watch

http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08/01/exclusive-dozens-of-...

Won't quote because its worth reading the whole thing for context. Associated facts (e.g. Turkey, US's equal partner, was caught running guns, Manning had [admittedly old] docs with CIA running guns to Syria) lend weight to the what was thought on Capitol Hill at the time.

But broadly the US and allies support Salafist elements as they are, and can be encouraged to be, opposed to Assad.

themeekforgotpw··on WikiLeaks Begins Releasing Leaked Saudi Arabia Cables
ISIL is used as a proxy force by all powers that can effectively manipulate them, but they are also a force of their own.

The US heavily invests in using video games for propaganda and ISIL and Sunni-insurgent forces have been exposed to a number of anti-Assad video games. Hamas is unlikely to be the progenitor of anti-Assad video themed video games. It's speculative, but it makes a lot of sense that the US would do what it can to direct ire at Assad.

What's not speculative is that Turkey and the US were running guns to groups that became ISIL factions in Syria.

There's lots of influence to be had all over. The larger powers are trying to manage the situation to achieve their ends. That means funding insurgent groups where it benefits them and bombing the same groups from the air where they are challenged.

themeekforgotpw··on European court decision: Websites are liable for users’ comments
This is tangentially related to the same general topic, so I hope it is welcomed here.

Methods for state censorship are making their way onto content providers online. For example, in the United States we have a system across Twitter, Reddit, Facebook and other sites whereby links will be blocked from publication.

A recent academic publication "Antisocial Behavior in Online Discussion Communities" (http://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.00680v1.pdf) has been reported as a boon for 'anti-troll' applications of the internet - though it finds its funding from counter-propaganda funding from the US and NATO.

The West more generally will cry out when nations block Western content, ideas, or US funded Civil Society groups - but are fine themselves censoring anti-Western ideas and narratives even when they are not directly part of a mis- or dis-information campaign.

Those who have lived both inside and outside the United States are, for the most part, well aware that Americans live inside of an information bubble of American narrative - and that Americans (like every other citizen on Earth) is subject to censorship and to propaganda.

The Internet, by a series of laws and technical solutions, is today in the process of being enveloped into this system.

I lived through the era where the Internet was free, and miss it. I fear tomorrow's Internet, and the Internet of the day after; I fear that it will continue - and all signs currently point this direction - down a narrowing corridor until it, too, becomes unashamedly part of the same bubble.

themeekforgotpw··on Snowden Document Search
Windows now broadcasts and collects information about what you type in when you search for programs (in charm/modern shell).

That doesn't mean it goes 'upstream'. But it is startling how far we've come. I remember the days when nobody trusted the internet - not even with their credit card.

Now its hard to trust your Operating System to run a program.

themeekforgotpw··on Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign
I think state sponsored messaging helped as much. But sure. I don't think that's at odds with the claim at the top.
themeekforgotpw··on Mass snooping fake mobile towers 'uncovered in UK'
I didn't. I looked it up and found that it was indeed close to the first WTC bombing (though also close to other bombings like the Unabomber campaign).
themeekforgotpw··on Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign
I don't think we can characterize it as that. Of course there are people who disagree with one another (everywhere).

This comment above is about consensus - or its approximate form - that ends up dominating the conversation.

themeekforgotpw··on Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign
The West is so inconsistent. It will cheer as Charlie Hebdo mocks the prophet of a quarter of the living people on Earth.

"Free speech!"

But then it will close down forums where some people say mean things about some other people.

"Propriety!" "It's 'curated' or 'managed', not censored!"

themeekforgotpw··on LibreCrypt: Transparent on-the-fly disk encryption for Windows. LUKS compatible
There is not really AFAIK. I was wondering if TpTacek had a recommendation.

It's terrible. Disk encryption in the cloud is going to be so easy to break though I suppose its better than nothing? whelp

themeekforgotpw··on LibreCrypt: Transparent on-the-fly disk encryption for Windows. LUKS compatible
What mode would you suggest using? XTS isn't exactly a good option but it seems like the best option here.
themeekforgotpw··on US hit by 'massive data breach'
No, I wasn't arguing with you.

I was agreeing with you.

I do not think anything I said disproves your point, nor was it my intention.

I was speaking more broadly about the sorry state of journalism in both the United States and Canada (not comparing them).

Thank you for the information.

themeekforgotpw··on US hit by 'massive data breach'
Here you very clearly illustrate that you do not understand cryptography at even a minimal level.
themeekforgotpw··on US hit by 'massive data breach'
Is it the case that FISA weaponizes US tech services as claimed above? Could you go on at length about the Snowden disclosures and how they and the FISA Court pertain to overseas national spying - and Google and other companyies' roles?
themeekforgotpw··on US hit by 'massive data breach'
I think he means CNN, Fox, MSN, NBC, NPR, etc.

https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/133736

(From the State Department to the CEO of SONY.)

themeekforgotpw··on US hit by 'massive data breach'
I'm not sure I get the analogy to being the most ambitious person in the room. I think you mean that relative to intelligence agencies (not just US intelligence) and the most elite hacking groups domestic computers are products are not up to snuff?

I'm not sure that top intelligence agencies backdooring products has really made that gap so much worse.

I sorry I don't think I fully understood your point.

themeekforgotpw··on US hit by 'massive data breach'
Oh yeah, CAs have been broken for decades. I remember reporting way back on Room 641A at AT&T having shadow certs.
themeekforgotpw··on US hit by 'massive data breach'
Oh no I meant your area of professional expertise in the area of cyber security. I did not mean this particular hack.

> wealth of information on their servers useful for counter intelligence, economic, political and likely even military gain as well

Perhaps you could go further and tease out why a US company would have information on their servers useful for counter intelligence, political and likely even military gain - beyond of course the merely mundane trope of suggesting that the algorithms or IP are the reason.

I'll take a stab, but I'd love to hear how your characterize it: It's because US tech companies, like other multinational corporations inside the US, partner with the US government which some times means intelligence or military sectors - either to provide products and services - to perform research or to fund research - or to offer capabilities as a de facto extension.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act weaponized the US tech service sector to provide data and metadata for US intelligence efforts and for the targeting of foreign nationals.

(Incidentally, it's true also that individuals located at Google hacked back into the Chinese C2Cs.)

Chinese Intelligence is fully aware of FISA and the USG use of technology product and service backdoors.

> I don't we'll ever know exactly what all of their reasons were for breaking in, but I don't think the theory that one of the primary motivations was targeting dissidents can be waved away as just spin.

You really don't motivate why we should take the PR statement more seriously than the journalism. And references to 'I don't think we can ever be certain' is an appeal to uncertainty that isn't really there.

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