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scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
Microsoft was trying to get companies to write Windows software in 1986-87. At the time, it argued that developing for Windows was developing for OS/2 PM.

Borland, Ashton-Tate and Lotus refused. In late 1987, Philippe Kahn said "People are afraid Microsoft is going to take control of the operating system." [1]

Microsoft was afraid that IBM going to take control of the operating system.

Windows 3.0 was enough of a success for Microsoft to intensify it efforts....

[1] http://voteview.uga.edu/gates.html

scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
> everyone, including Microsoft, had been pushing OS/2 up until that point.

True up to a point. From at least the early 90s, Microsoft was trying like crazy to get companies to write Windows software instead ;-)

scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
The number of bugs found reflects the number of users and the range of equipment they are using.

There are probably more bugs in most non-Microsoft applications, it's just that they don't have enough users to find them....

scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
> Why did IBM even go to Redmond, WA in the first place?

That's not a mystery: it went to license Microsoft Basic, which was the most widely recognized Basic of its day. It dated back to the MITS Altair.

So IBM would have gone to Redmond regardless of Mary Gates.

However, it probably helped with the DOS deal, whereby Microsoft offered to save IBM's operating system bacon. Basic was a known quantity but MS-DOS didn't even exist.

scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
"No one ever got fired for buying IBM" probably pre-dates the creation of Microsoft.

The saying was based on the fact that IBM, like the 7th Cavalry, would ride in to rescue large accounts if they screwed up.

I never heard it said of Microsoft in the 90s because Microsoft was never a big proportion of anybody's spending. It sold to hundreds of millions of consumers and small companies, rather than Fortune 500 companies.

I did once discuss this with one of the Microsoft salesmen who handled giant corporations, and who had been hired from IBM. He said IBM tried to get 33% of a company's IT sending whereas Microsoft tried to get 3%.

scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
I think CA was correctly described as a "bottom feeder"...

It was a scavenger that extracted the remaining value from failing and failed companies.

I'm not saying it was bad for the ecosystem ;-)

scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
I don't think Microsoft really thought about the server market until NT4 came out, and people started using the "desktop" version on small servers....

However, the Unix business was a huge mess at the time. First, the all vendors were at war with one another, then they divided into two warring camps (SVR4 vs OSF).

While they were busing fighting one another, Microsoft nicked their cheese.....

Update: Of course, Windows NT was designed by the same guy as DEC's VAX VMS, so it's got that in its DNA. Maybe he was thinking of servers as well...

scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
Sorry, my mistake. I was inadvertently thinking of what Microsoft charged PC manufacturers for pre-installation. The retail copies included extra charges to cover boxes, discs, distribution, the retailer's margin, support, returns etc.

Unfortunately I can't find a list of Windows retail prices, but originally Windows was sold much like an application. That is, it assumed you already had DOS installed.

From what I recall, the official retail was something like $99 and you could pick up a copy for around $80 or so. (Some programs came bundled with a run-time copy of Windows, though you couldn't used that copy with a different application.)

Windows 95 upped the price because Microsoft was charging for both DOS and Windows at the same time. On that basis, something like $200 doesn't sound wrong, and that's around the price Windows has sold at ever since. (Unless, of course, you buy a pre-launch offer.)

Software and hardware prices were generally much higher in the old days, of course.

On stability, I found both NT4 and Windows 2000 to be very stable. With other versions, they were stable if they were correctly set up on decent hardware, you only used Microsoft drivers, you were pretty careful, and you restarted every day.

I could usably run Win98-XP for about week. I would never find out how long I could run NT4 because I was dual-booting it ;-)

Eggs are fragile, but they generally don't break if you handle them carefully. It was much the same with Windows...

scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
Not really a BUT, is it? Times changed....

Microsoft and IBM started the development of OS/2 because IBM wouldn't support Unix. (Microsoft had the most widely used Unix of the day, in Xenix.) IBM required a proprietary OS and had a long-running war with AT&T.

Microsoft backed OS/2 strongly but sales were, in Bill Gates's word, "dismal". It was a flop. However, Windows was a hit.

Microsoft wanted to go to a 32-bit OS/2 v3, which is what became Windows NT.

IBM had sold tons of 16-bit IBM PC/AT machines and insisted on a 16-bit operating system.

Hence the divorce, where Microsoft kept Windows and got a bundle of cash ($25 million, if I remember correctly). IBM got OS/2 and an ultra-sweet deal on Windows ($9 a copy, if memory serves).

scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
I don't disagree with your comment, but I'd like to introduce a small refinement....

> Rather, what people should realize is that back in 80s it was IBM who was the monopolist, and it was Microsoft who became the monopolist IBM once was.

This is true, but Microsoft only became the IBM of PC software. Intel became the IBM of processors. Cisco became the IBM of routers. And so on....

IBM was the IBM of everything, and at one point, was twice as big as every other IT company put together. Today's youngsters have absolutely no idea how powerful it was. (And after decades of failure, IBM is still almost a $90 billion company.) Microsoft never had that degree of power.

In the end, IBM's monopoly was split between a lot of different but less powerful companies, each with its own niche. Today, I think, only IBM's mainframe monopoly is left....

scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
It looks better as a graph ;-)
scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
Unfortunately, OS/2 could barely load on the PCs of the day (it started swapping while loading), it had very little software, and cost a ridiculous price (from memory, something around $500).

You had to vape your PC to run it.

By contrast, you could pick up a copy of Windows for $40 and run it on top of DOS without losing your DOS software. If you didn't like it, it hadn't cost you much time or money.

And there was a boom in Windows software with lots of cheap programs to try.

Seriously, how would anyone expect OS/2 to win that battle?

scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
IBM was by far the largest IT company of the day and came up with this long-range plan called SAA (Systems Applications Architecture).

SAA tied together all IBM's enterprise systems (except the Unix ones) and it mandated IBM's version of OS/2 on the client.

Some people felt that IBM had sufficient market power to impose it. I assume Lotus did, too. It turned out that IBM was wrong, and Lotus's strategy sank along with IBM's.

OS/2 was part of a strategy to take back control of the PC industry by shifting the whole thing to an IBM-controlled base with PS/2 systems, MCA buses, and the OS/2 operating system.

scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
Gates by Stephen Manes and Paul Andrews is a much better book. Bigger, better researched, better written, and a lot more accurate.

(Paul Andrews worked for the Seattle Times and Microsoft was his beat. I guess he just had more and better contacts.)

Hard Drive did well because it came out first and filled a big hole in the market. However, Gates was sufficiently better to become a best seller.

scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
True ;-)

> Man OS/2 Warp was going to be AWESOME and than the infighting killed the whole thing. :(

OS/2 Warp was actually the IBM monopoly's last concerted attempt to kill little upstart Microsoft. One of IBM's senior managers at the time told me "We're going to burn Bill's butt."

By that stage, it wasn't infighting, it was war. (The infighting was Microsoft's attempt to get IBM to accept Windows NT as OS/2 version 3.)

As it happened, Microsoft had a very strong ally in Kirkland called ... IBM. Big Blue's PC division was interested in selling PCs and it was selling lots of PCs running Windows. PCs running OS/2 were virtually unsaleable.

Eventually, Gerstner arrived and told the OS/2 guys they'd lost and they should just stop.

scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
Word also started out as a Mac program. It just happened to have the same name as an old DOS program.

Microsoft's original DOS spreadsheet was called Multiplan.

scholia··on Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985)
> When Windows 95 first came out, it crashed daily on my computer and friends of mine had the same experience. Sometimes it crashed multiple times a day.

It was perfectly possible to run Windows 95 without it crashing. I ran it for around a year before the launch (the Chicago beta) and it was very stable by the end IF you had decent hardware and IF you set it up correctly.

But the PC hardware industry wasn't very well developed in 1995, and there was a huge variation in products that took a while to shake out.

Bear in mind that Windows 95 was running on tens of millions of PCs that had never been designed to run it, and that had never been tested with it. A lot of the ones in the field were almost unique (because of variations in processors, RAM, graphics cards etc), and Microsoft had never seen many of them.

And they got away with it because people could get a PC with a good GUI and masses of compatible software for a very low price.

scholia··on Firefox 57.0 Released
Fantastic. Many many thanks.
scholia··on Firefox 57.0 Released
Though you lose multi-process operation, I think....
scholia··on Firefox 57.0 Released
> No matter how many tabs I have open they remain usable size

They were! I think they've shrunk, though that might be an optical illusion... And I can't see a simple way to make them bigger (simple as in: not editing the css file).

scholia··on Firefox 57.0 Released
I searched but failed to find a substitute for that....
scholia··on How Firefox Got Fast Again
I have seen him being very responsive to paying customers and his charges are reasonable. However, it seems he did get deluged with delicious users whining at him after he saved that service, and you wouldn't reasonably expect a one-man business to be able to handle that.

You could always try tweeting him. He's also on HN.

scholia··on Is it time to stop trusting Google search?
Or maybe they are showing you what most people want, on the grounds that most people search for the same stuff.

In the context of billions of users doing billions of searches, HN readers could be fairly extreme outliers...

scholia··on Is it time to stop trusting Google search?
You could try the Verbatim setting, which is under Tools | All results.
scholia··on Is it time to stop trusting Google search?
It's quite amusing to compare Google search results with and without the word PORN.
scholia··on Readspike – Simple news aggregator
There's also Dave Winer's "river of news" site with various tabs including Tech, NBA and Movies http://radio3.io/rivers/

Protopage is somewhat similar to Readspike and you can add your RSS feeds of choice.... http://www.protopage.com/

scholia··on Introducing Surface Book 2
How likely is it that someone would describe Lenovo Service Engine or Lenovo Accelerator as Chinese spyware?
scholia··on Introducing Surface Book 2
You could boycott Lenovo-branded machines while not boycotting ThinkPads. As far as I know, ThinkPads have been beyond reproach. It's a valuable brand for Lenovo, and it acquired the whole IBM division, not just the name.

I managed to be a ThinkPad fanboy for decades while despising IBM ;-)

scholia··on Introducing Surface Book 2
Great point!

Luckily I didn't buy any of the models that included that feature (and none of them were ThinkPads) or I would have had to run Lenovo's LSE Windows Disabler Tool from https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/gb/en/downloads/ds104370

scholia··on Introducing Surface Book 2
You also don't see why someone should jump in to correct a wrong statement?

Either way, the potential for damage wasn't that obvious: it could have happened to any company. (Employees often make commercial decisions without understanding the technical ramifications.)

Also, Superfish said it wasn't its fault: it blamed Komodo's tool. This amounts to a similar type of buck-passing.

I've bought a couple of Lenovo machines since Superfish, mainly because they were fantastic value for money. I also know that if I wasn't happy with the installation, I could download Windows 10 from Microsoft and do a clean installation.

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