sahrizv

Let's refrain from frequent comparisons until both of these beasts announce a complete and production ready version.

It would be a great blessing for Django beginners like me if some noble soul(s) could turn this into the go-to project template for Django based webapps (by making Mozilla specific stuff more generic).

I understand the point you are making. The only problem with picking up a relatively less mature/complete framework is that I intend to use it in production. Since I am starting up as a novice, I cannot afford to sacrifice maturity for the high of being on the edge. I realize there's benefit for me in being on the edge as you mentioned( and I would love to play with the newest toy), but in my case, I unfortunately can't do that. Thanks for stopping by! :-)

I was looking for a framework which can handle as much as possible of the configuration, plumbing and any other processes which are involved in web development. I know that is not exciting and causes limitations, but being a novice in this field, I do not want to be messing around with the basics. I rather want to focus on the core business aspects of my venture. :-)

Actually I did give a thought to Node.js/express and more pleasantly, the recent one called Mean.io. Mean.io is especially appealing to newcomers like me because it hides significant complexity in linking up stuff on the node.js platform. However, the only thing which puts me off is the instability/novelty of node and consequent unsuitability for production environments. Django OTOH has been battle hardened, and there is help available if I hit a wall. Not at all to say that the node community is not helpful. It's vibrant and helpful but there are simply too many gotchas yet to be resolved, and more importantly, discovered and I do not want to be the one doing these discoveries, midway through my startup. :-)

Regarding ROR, I'd say I have never even seen the language or the framework. Since I have done previous work in NLP/ML I was inclined to learn python so that I can utilize the huge spectrum of Python based ML/NLP libraries, which I believe Ruby lacks.

I am actually inclined towards Ember.js since the time I was faced with this choice. I just wanted to take the opinion of all the experienced developers here, to back my choice or change it. Thanks for easing the choice. I'll go through the Ember docs. :-)

-To comment on your wish to have “a batteries included framework, which I can use in production”: Ember certainly has a lot of batteries included Thanks for considering those factors. Your reply was very helpful.

Mean.io is especially appealing to newcomers like me because it hides significant complexity in linking up stuff on the node.js platform. However, the only thing which puts me off is the instability/novelty of node and consequent unsuitability for production environments. Django OTOH has been battle hardened, and there is help available if I hit a wall. Not at all to say that the node community is not helpful. It's vibrant and helpful but there are simply too many gotchas yet to be resolved, and more importantly, discovered and I do not want to be the one doing this discovery, midway through my startup. :-)

Thanks for reminding me of the employment aspect! For the popularity, I believe both ember and angular have large communities. I checked the jobs and angular although leading here, is comparable to ember in terms of job opportunities.

By "in the long run" I meant the course of my web app development and enhancement. But I feel happy that there is a consensus on transient utility of these technologies. Community size is a strong factor for me but (un)fortunately both ember and angular have large communities. Thanks a lot for your guidance, esp. the last sentence.

I am just starting up web development and have decided to use Django for backend. However, this Angular vs Ember comparisons have lowered my confidence as I think whatever choice "I" make, will turn out wrong in the long run. Can the experienced people here tell me what I should choose? I am fine with either style of approach to HTML(template vs declarative) and I just want a batteries included framework, which I can use in production, with no severe limitations which may haunt me later.

P.S I am very new to HN and I cant do Ask HN posts :(

#satire

Thanks for the combined efforts of HNers to make it disappear :-)

In my opinion, for product based companies, it is a small subset of brilliant employees which bring the most value to the company.

Although the goal is to maximize such hires, due to the broken(both ways) nature of the hiring process, the company ends up hiring many employees who turn out to be average, and some even go on to become the subject of this article- mediocre.

More importantly, following this line of thinking, the cost incurred due to a manager causing the top talents to leave the company is much more(esp. compounded cost), than the cost of hiring a bad employee.