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Sum up the post:
1. What Jack Ma is trying to do, is equalizing Personal strive and overwork (for him).
2. In China, company have many ways to force employees stay in long hour without literally say so. For example "When boss don't leave, you don't leave", and/or giving out tasks that you can't finish without overwork.
Most of those companies are not forcing their employees to work 996 on paper. But if you don't, then first, your team leader will give you some hint to ask you to stay longer. If you still don't, you will be fired for any number of reasons (KPI is too low for example).
Because of that, the company actually don't need to force it's employees. It just keep giving them tasks which cannot be finished without work 996, plus some peer pressures (One of it is "Boss's still here, you can't leave").
Jack Ma's "forcing staff to work overtime are ‘foolish’" statement is basically the same thing: You need to fight for your own future. On the surface, it's correct, but underneath it, he's trying to make you believe Personal strive === Overwork.
It worth notice that Jack Ma also said "If you love your job, 12 hours is not very long" (“如果你热爱（工作），其实12个小时不算太长”[0]) just days ago. Hit: If you don't work 12 hours a day, you don't love your job.
Some background: Jack Ma is a lair who also likes to pretend to be a Life Advisor, he will sometime throw out some bullshit to convince others to sacrifice for him. You need to read between lines.
> “Those who can stick to a 996 schedule are those who have found their passion beyond monetary gains,” Ma wrote.
You see what's going on here :)
[0] https://finance.sina.com.cn/china/gncj/2019-04-12/doc-ihvhie...
Edited to fix some grammar problem. Hope that will make it easier to read. Thanks for pointing out :)
Yes, I fixed it again.
So apparently Jack Ma sees his company as some holy saint who give those poor farmland programmers food, water and life.
I guess this man only cares about he's own little family.
Sorry.
[0] http://paper.people.com.cn/rmrb/html/2019-04/11/nw.D110000re... (Chinese)
As far as I know, among them, Falun Gong and The Church of Almighty God was making false promise about their ability of "getting people back on their feet".
I don't know why people here are suddenly on fire when saw me put Falun Gong and cult together. In China, we use word "神棍"[0] to describe someone who fake their supernatural ability and pretend to be the messenger of god. And the word was come out before CCP even a thing, that alone can tell you something does it?
[0] https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%A3%8D%E9%A8%99#%E7%A5%9E%E...
But if true, that also means those web browsers are querying a online database when user is trying to access a URL.
Not a good news no matter how you hold it.
Of course I understand ask some projects to suddenly change their license to support anti-996 is hard and unreal, but hey, the show of force and well there is already a win.
For me, the step they've taken to reach out for support (by ask others to change their code license etc) is already something positively progressive. Regardless whether or not they did successfully convinced anyone.
They got the message out, that's important.
This is how the labor law been structured in China. In many cases you need to file the case by yourself in order to get it investigated.
> So technically, the license isn't needed.
> If you can't get the law enforced, how will you be able to enforce the license
I don't think you've understood the situation. In China, we play it safe.
You can get administration involved, but you will likely need to file the case by yourself, which may cause you to get fired. Now, if a third-party can help you by putting some pressure on your company, then both of you will be safe.
The license adds another reason to convince your boss to not implement 996.
The thing is, this kind of online protest is the safest for both initiators and participants. If by "other venues for labour activism" you mean go to the street, you're basically risk sending people to jail (And after the thing, nobody want to risk to get milled down by tanks).
Also, did you know that 996 is by law illegal in China? You can technically report your company if they force you to work 996. But: 1) After that, you will probably get fired for any number of excuses. 2) Your company is clever, they know many ways to get around the law.
Now, after all that dilemma, how could you protected yourself and help other developers just like you? The license idea come out naturally.
From what I can read, that's the plan. After all "open-source" or not is pointless when developers are on the bed inside of ICU :D
Maybe you can try to file a pull request to suggest a change, remember to explain your situation and concerns inside the pull request so it won't be discarded.
I'm not very confident about it :(
I just realized I maybe have answered my own question but I don't think even Go should use `go` keyword for that.
Maybe give it a more technical name?
That website tells me GitHub is fine, and that's all, I guess.
This is the speed test result for Google.com https://imgur.com/eOoxthu
This is the result for GitHub.com https://imgur.com/T9o0U79 (Red == Delay was very bad)
BTW, now you know if Chinese programmers are seeking oversea jobs, they are probably not trying to enter your company to steal your techs. No, more likely they're just 996 refugees :)
Google: Hey so we had this new thing called FLAG_WINDOW_IS_OBSCURED
Me: Really? Google? You're going to fix your problem by telling everybody to watch out your problems?
Anyway, before I had a stable proxy, I actually set up my local DNS to redirect all .google.com., .facebook.com. and their CDNs to 127.0.0.1 just so I can "unblock" some other webpages. That was not a good experience.
Those script can actually be delayed from loading so they won't block the page. You don't need to actually remove them, just load them AFTER your page is loaded, and then most things will be fine. (Except for Google Recaptcha of course)
It's a good practice to un-trust everything you don't have control, and maybe make exceptions from there. Don't by default trust everything.
It's not just people are not learning. I don't see any ordinary email client is encouraging people to use signing or encryption. Which is very odd to me.
Just imagine what if all the email client start asking their user to sign their email, and mark unsigned email as "Untrustful".
And if you combine that with the rule of "Play safe", you get a bunch of externally-acquired stereotypers.
The thing make it even worse is that, in China, you don't meet normal Tibetans and Uyghurs every day. Many Han people get their first impression of Tibetans/Uyghurs from the those fake ones who trying to sell scam medicine and food.
The government did almost nothing to those fakers. What they could do? Confiscate them could result some distorted news and even more rumours. And if the administration got unlucky and confiscated the real deal, then that will be really really bad for them.
BTW, the company can be sued for such discrimination. But it's FoxConn, the Sweatshop of IT industry, maybe it just simply too unworthy to do so.
In the picture "你还用说我大", "那是衣服紧" (Translate: "You don't need to tell me that mines was big", "That's because the cloth is tight").
I don't know about the "typical" thing due to lack of context. But my sense tells me, that "teenager" is doing some sex talk.
Another one: "说:!收【【【46--48道士号】】】卖的微信XXXXXXXXXXX" ("Buying 46~48 level Taoist account, contact me using WeChat XXXXXXXXXXX"). I guess this person is trying to buy a in-game character. Taoist is a type of character similar to magician.
I think the message is captured by some type of Internet Cafe managing software, which can be installed on the machine so the admin could remotely control and "auditing" it. Typical feature includes shutdown, force logout, timer etc. I don't know it can also record chat messages, but the fact it can does not surprise me that much to be honest.
Then, after your employees have done all that hard work, you just fire them and call them "mediocre"[0].
Hehe, this is the very reason of why I as a Chinese IT worker, refuse to pay my own money for any of their product.
[0] https://bgr.com/2019/01/21/huawei-layoffs-ceo-mediocre-emplo...
Are you sure about the good time?
Dismantle those decentralized BBS is one of those methods.