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I was there in 98-99 so it’s been a long time.

My relationship with my parents is good. They truly sent me there with the best intentions and I know that. They have expressed remorse and have apologized many times over the years.

I was in elan and yea, a lot of similarities. elan had a pretty extensive class system. Shot down was the lowest, worker was standard entry level, then expeditor, then something else, then guru, and I can’t remember the rest.

Anything lower then expeditor weren’t allowed to talk to one another without a higher up “being aware” or couldn’t use the bathroom without an escort(who could deny you if they were busy or just didn’t want to). If you wanted to speak to a staff member(even if they were right next to you) you had to ask a higher leveled person who would then tell the staff you wanted to talk. At meal time the highest member at the table got to pick the food first followed by the next highest and so on.

elan also did the same thing with boys and girls. They were not supposed to talk to each other and doing so could get you in trouble. elan had like 4 houses and on the very rare occasions the houses crossed paths, you were not allowed to talk to them or even LOOK at them.

They also stripped you of any “old you” identities. Plain clothes, no logos, no piercings, no jewelry, no non standard hair colors/cuts(I don’t think they even allowed boys to have long hair), no hats, and no hoodies.

They did the same thing with music as well. No swear words or extreme stuff. Thankfully burning cds were a new thing when I was there and my used his works CD burner to burn me some good music I liked.

If they suspected you were going to escape( pretty much impossible, the place is in bumfuck Maine in the woods) they would make you wear fluorescent clothing, and in the case of boys… fluorescent PINK clothing and take your shoelaces. Sometimes make you wear a sign around your neck as well.

The one good thing about elan was it wasn’t backed by religion. I don’t even remember an option for church.

Pretty much. elan knew exactly what the parents wanted to hear and see and would tailor the parents tour or questions around that.

I haven’t read all of the comic so I can’t say if he embellished things.

I can say 100% that screaming at people was very much encouraged(during “therapy” sessions or as punishment). It was referred to as “getting your feelings off”. Sometimes it would be in a group setting where you sat in a circle and everyone had to pick someone else in the group and scream at them as loud as possible about anything the person did that made you angry or annoyed you. Other times it was a form of punishment where they made you stand against a wall or in the corner and everyone else in the “house” would crowd around and all scream as loud as possible at you all at once. They only rules were you can’t make fun of them for things like race, sexuality, appearance, etc.

As weird as it may seem, Paris Hilton was actually sent to one of these places and has spoken out about them and shed some light on them.

I was very fortunate that my parents believed me and withdrew me after ~5 months.

My parents sent me there with the best intentions. But elan tricked them. And they realized that. They have both apologized numerous times and explained how they regret the decision. Last year, so over 20 years later, out of the blue my dad just blurted out “I’m so sorry we sent you to elan. We truly didn’t know…”. It took me by surprise.

It’s also more then that. elan was VERY good at disguising themselves as a caring and helpful place. On paper, elan had it all. But it was all an illusion. My parents spent over 3 months researching different schools and elan seemed to have everything I “needed”. This was before the internet had social media and review sites so the people who elan abused didn’t really have a visible soapbox. My parents even went to elan and took a tour before sending me there.

elan also had complete control of every letter or phone call. You have to earn the privilege to them. I had no contact with my parents for the first 2 months. And when I did, it was over a speakerphone in a room with a elan staff member who literally had their finger on the button to hang up if I pleaded for my parents to take me home. And before the call that day they had been coaching me for days on what I could and could not say. And if I said something I wasn’t supposed to I would lose all privileges and go “on shotdown”. elans vicegrip on communication actually led to my parents withdrawing me. They sensed something wasn’t right and (against elans wishes) demanded a in person visit with me(in person visits are a extremely privileged event). They saw I had lost a ton of weight and looked all fucked up and withdrew me.

I’ve read some of the comic but not all of it. From what I read it’s fairly accurate. I witnessed “the ring” and experienced first hand the psychological manipulation.

This is so weird and could definitely identify myself, but... I was sent to a therapeutic boarding school called elan. A month or two after I got home my best friend was "taken" and did outward bound then got sent to hidden lakes in GA.

I still remember the first time I saw him a year or two later... He was home on a visit and snuck out of his house and rode his bike to our friends house. We got really baked and he got all serious and was like "Guys.... Do I have an accent now? I fucking hate how the people down there talk" lol

I was one of the unlucky people who spent time at elan. It was a terrible terrible time. Much like the author of the article I was awoken by 2 big dudes in my bedroom and was given the choice to get dressed and go peacefully or they would drag me out of bed and take me away in my underwear. I said I'm not doing shit until my parents give you permission to take me. They handed me a piece of paper with both my parents signatures on it that effectively signed custody over to them. I asked if I could smoke a cigarette before we left and they told me I could smoke as many as I wanted in the van.

That was the start of one of the worst times in my life.

elan was a real life hell.

AMA if you want.

If I remember right, Vanced is the official YouTube app that was decompiled and modified. Where newpipe is an open source standalone app that uses no Google code or apis.

I love kotlin and have messed around with javafx + kotlin. It works well once you have set it up.

If I'm remembering right, Kim spent a SHITLOAD for a fiber connection to his home. He was a huge gamer and wanted super low latency. I also remember Kim finding out he was being watched because he noticed his ping went up and traceroute showed an additional hop.

My dad had a black box that worked awesome. It had a little dial in the back that you could twist to dial in a channel to be super clear.

> Signal with their “we trust Intel SGX to be single point of failure” kinda smells like a government honey pot.

It wouldn't matter if it was. I don't believe it is, but it wouldn't matter. Signals entire design is to NOT trust any server. Messages are encrypted on the device before it's ever sent to signals servers. This is verifiably proven since the code is all open source. Every signal message could be logged and it still wouldn't matter thanks to signals ratcheting algorithm.

> Sry Moxie, you lost my trust when you temporarily took the signal codebase closed source

It never was closed source. They simply implemented a feature before uploading the code. Is there a rule to how how many commits need to be made in a time period? No.

> to integrate some cryptocurrency scams into it.

You clearly haven't read enough about why they chose to implement a payment system and why they chose to create their own. There are very good reasons they did both. Don't be salty because they didn't use the one you hold.

> why would I choose a messenger that requires a phone number over another that does not ?

Unless something has changed recently, telegram absolutely required my phone number. Signal is also working on replacing phone numbers with usernames.

> Mainly because the app is more stable and doesn't dictate its philosophy to the user. Proper e2e encryption has tradeoffs. Why shouldn't the user decide for which conversations he is willing to place convenience over security ?

One can't claim to be a secure encrypted chat app but then not enable it by default. It's completely fine to not have encryption, but it's not ok to mislead people into believing it's encrypted all the time.

> Why do you lose your history when you switch between android and ios ?

Mostly because signal doesn't store your messages. There is no central server that has all your info and chat history like telegram does. It makes this harder

What does it matter to you? It's not forced on anyone. Unless you go out of your way to look for it, you won't even know it's there.

> The Signal code was closed source for longer than a year (from April 2020)

This absolutely untrue. Signals source has NEVER been closed source. The Signal server source code(which isn't special and doesn't change that often) just had no public commits. The Signal client source code(what matters and makes Signal secure) was frequently updated.

> Signal may be open source at times,

Again, Signal has always been open source.

You can run one of those os's without any Google services. Paid apps are almost certain to not run, and a bunch of other apps that rely on the services. But almost all the apps I use work great.

I have used CalyxOS and it's a great os. I did use microG and 98% of the apps I use worked flawlessly. If you have a supported phone, I'd definitely give it a shot.

In the TMZ article it mentions a 9 year battle with cancer.

Thanks for the f-shack

- Dirty Mike & The Boys

Or a government order

To add:

Aurora store does NOT let you download paid apps. If you have paid for a app, you can sign into that account in aurora store and download the app you bought. However, the paid app will most likely not work as most apps use a SDK provided by google for verifying purchases in a app. This SDK heavily relies on google play services. And secondly, using a 3rd party store like aurora does violate googles use agreement which means google could ban your account if you sign into it from aurora. I would highly advise to not use a google account you care about with aurora.

Sounds like they just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and work harder.

They could also accept checks via the mail. Or cash via the mail. Or cryptocurrencies. Or gift cards. Or barter. There are multiple options available to them.

OK, I see how that could be a issue.

Same thing for the officers I checked. All emails/phones were publicly listed on their own agencies websites.

> almost definitely going to turn into a harassment and doxxing platform.

This site only uses publicly available information. How would it enable more harassment if someone can goto www.agency.com/officers and get the same info?

Except cities and agencies are choosing not to implement things like this. And they even go as far as keeping this information secret from the public.

How would posting videos of good cops doing good things be "abuse"?

> server is closed source last time I checked

Check again. It's been updated for a while now. It's always updated, just sometimes less frequently then some people expect. There's no obligation to publish code every x months.

> smells like a fed op

You clearly have no idea what your talking about if you believe this. Signal is open source, it has been audited, it provides deterministic builds, is using state of the art cryptography, it's protocol is now the defacto secure communication protocol all other serious communication apps use, and is recommended and used by all the leading experts in cryptography and infosec...

> one of the creators was trying to use it to pump some shitcoin

Except there is 0 evidence that any pump and dump is going on. Or that moxie even owns mobilcoin. And calling it a "shitcoin" makes you out to be some cryptobro who shouldn't be taken seriously. There are numerous reasons they used a coin that was designed and optimized for use on a mobile phone. No other coins met their criteria. They also built some cool tech on top of that as well.

You're either seriously uninformed or are trying to spread fud.