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pyrrhotech

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Founder at Grizzly Bulls <https://grizzlybulls.com>

Algorithmic trading models and hedging systems to complement index investing

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pyrrhotech··on Ask HN: What have you created that deserves a second chance on HN?
https://grizzlybulls.com

It's a freemium subscription service to the algorithmic trading models / hedging systems I've been developing over the last few years. 2022 performance:

SPX (benchmark): -18.77%

Free models:

TA - Mean Reversion Basic (https://grizzlybulls.com/models/ta-mr-basic): -9.93%

TA - Trend Basic (https://grizzlybulls.com/models/ta-trend-basic): -17.79%

Vix Basic (https://grizzlybulls.com/models/vix-basic): -20.45%

Premium models:

Vix Advanced (https://grizzlybulls.com/models/vix-advanced): -17.9%

Vix - TA Advanced (https://grizzlybulls.com/models/vix-ta-advanced): -16.14%

Vix - TA Macro Advanced (https://grizzlybulls.com/models/vix-ta-macro-advanced): -3.15%

Vix - TA Macro Monetary Policy Extreme (https://grizzlybulls.com/models/vix-ta-macro-mp-extreme): +0.56%

The models use no leverage and are always either 100% long the S&P 500 or 0% long (in cash). These are not HFT, averaging one trade per 2-4 weeks on average depending on the model. You can see active signals for the free models by checking the site frequently, or if you subscribe to one of the premium plans you'll get email or text notifications as well.

In 2022, all but one of the models beat the SPX on an absolute performance basis, some substantially so with the top model returning positive absolute returns with a +19.33% outperformance gap. However, it was still a much worse year than 2021 as the unprecedented reversal of Fed policy in response to 40 year high inflation proved to make a challenging backdrop.

Full 2022 performance report: https://grizzlybulls.com/blog/models-performance-update-q4-2...

My take on the EMH, in short I believe in the 95% EMH, but that 5% makes all the difference and perfectly explains how legendary traders like RenTech, TwoSigma and David E Shaw have been able to outperform the market consistently for decades: https://grizzlybulls.com/blog/time-in-the-market-vs-timing-t...

pyrrhotech··on Google to reduce workforce by 12k
You are not entitled to your multi-six figure job, and no one should feel bad for you if the company decides you are an excess. If you are not creating enough value to justify your presence, the company has every right and frankly society should demand that you be let go, otherwise you are wasting all of our finite resources. Sure, Google should have been a bit more cautious in their hiring during the unsustainable COVID bubble conditions, but at least they are correcting the mistake now.

This sort of attitude is exactly what makes left coast limousine liberal tech workers so insufferable to the rest of the country. Thanks for living up to the stereotype

pyrrhotech··on Microsoft to lay off 11k employees
It's silly to mention the cash on the balance sheet without also mentioning the debt of $77B. In reality, the net cash position is on the order of magnitude of $30B which puts a much tighter perspective on the impact of this cut. 40% of all public companies created since market inception in 1871 have gone bankrupt including many of the bluest of the blue chips. Complacent thinking like this is often the reason. Additionally, if you've ever worked at a large company, you can see first hand at how much bloat there is.
pyrrhotech··on Getting Wealthy vs. Staying Wealthy
That's not how I read it. Index funds are conservative, but the author points out a big difference between the optimism + paranoia ideal mindset vs. the conservative mindset. With index funds, you'll never go poor, but you'll never be wealthy either unless you earn a top 0.5% income. The returns (~6% historically) are too low for compounding to make one wealthy in a lifetime. To become wealthy you need to either own a very rare skill that is compensated in the millions per year, or you need to earn better returns through carefully calculated risk-taking. I'm taking the latter route with Grizzly Bulls as there's nothing extraordinary about my skill set.
pyrrhotech··on Ask HN: How to move from traditional tech into game dev?
Web programming is incredibly easy in general, and gets even easier every year. Game programming is much harder in my experience. Game Engine programming is not even comparable.
pyrrhotech··on What a $1M Retirement Looks Like in America
No one needs this much, but lots of people want this much or even a lot more. Some folks have expensive tastes while others are content with reading library books in a cabin in the woods.
pyrrhotech··on Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?
This seems low for 5+ YoE in NYC
pyrrhotech··on Vast Majority of People Who Invest in Bitcoin Inevitably Lose Money, Study Shows
Most bitcoin investors never move their coins off the exchange and thus don't have a distinct address on the blockchain, so your sampling technique is probably just as flawed as time of app download, if not more so.
pyrrhotech··on Meta lays off 11,000 people
Of course not, because it was pulled from his ass. Google had 120k employees in 2019, and 150k in 2021. Even with churn, the OP is way off
pyrrhotech··on Twitter’s mass layoffs have begun
And no notable features have been released
pyrrhotech··on 'Big Short' investor says white-collar jobs bubble is 'bursting'
That depends on your alternative options. The S&P 500 has averaged 6.6% real returns historically. Better than bonds? sure. Better than unleveraged global real estate? sure. Better than gold? sure. Better than PE? no. Better than leveraged rentals? hell no. Better than investing in productive capacity in your own startup? lol.

No one ever became wealthy from buy and hold index funds. The returns are relatively low because most people are lazy and it's the easy thing to do. That's why I split my time between active investing (https://grizzlybulls.com) and working on my private business ventures.

pyrrhotech··on 'Big Short' investor says white-collar jobs bubble is 'bursting'
Actually Burry dissolved his fund and only invests his own money (mid 9-figure net worth) now
pyrrhotech··on UK pensions hit with margin calls as gilts and sterling slide
The base problem is that people have expected pensions to pay out like they always did in the past, before the ZIRP era. When real interest rates were positive (like they were for most of history until circa 2010-present), it was very easy to pay out the expected results by just buy and hold treasuries or gilts. When central bankers decided to cure the last recession by artificially holding real interest rates at negative levels for over a decade, pensions had to move out on the risk curve. This led to the everything bubble we have today, with the market overvalued somewhere around 100-300% compared to its historic norms. Once inflation came back, the central bankers ZIRP plans were cancelled, bonds and stocks start crashing and pension accounting no longer balances.
pyrrhotech··on Show HN: Simulate dollar-cost averaging in any mix of stocks
Very interesting, I'm glad to hear you are also building your own models and having success! I'm pretty tight-lipped about the inner-workings of mine, as unlike selling access to the generated signals, sharing details about the internals actually would hurt my edge and personal returns. That's why I've left the details pages intentionally high level and vague, in fact I think I may have erred on the side of too much detail already. I'm very impressed that you are seeing triple digit returns in the backtest of your model though without using leverage and long-only. Using long/short or modest leverage puts our platinum model into triple digits, but also increases the max drawdown and standard deviation of returns. I leave it up to the clients whether to use a riskier implementation such as this.

How long have you been running it live, and how far back does your backtest data run? How closely are you seeing real returns match backtest? After running live for over 2 years, I've seen up to 6 month periods where the model outperformed the backtest, but overall the models have underperformed to varying degrees as expected. Though I have spent hundreds of hours dedicated to removing noise and overfit bias, I've come to the conclusion it isn't possible to 100% remove it, which combined with expected market regime changes where legitimate patterns become unprofitable means that in the long run every model is essentially guaranteed to underperform its backtest, the question becomes simply to what degree. However, with a strong enough model, even underperforming the backtest can lead to substantial alpha which is what I and our members have experienced so far this year.

pyrrhotech··on Show HN: Simulate dollar-cost averaging in any mix of stocks
This is different, no martingale here and no leverage used at all in obtaining the returns, the models are always either hedged (effectively in cash or 0% long) or unhedged (100% long). This is also not a high frequency trading system. Most models have an average holding period of about 2-4 weeks, though with high variation depending on market volatility levels (has been much shorter than that this year). Each detail page gives a brief, high-level overview of some of the indicators the model uses to detect trend strength, trend reversals and mean reversion opportunities that ultimately produce a signal change.

People often think beating the market is impossible, and for an unaided human, it may be. But just like Magnus Carlsen cannot come close to defeating Stockfish at chess, sophisticated algorithms that analyze far more data than possible for a human are on an entirely different playing field. The ironic thing is the growth in the belief in the EMH and passive investing has actually made beating the market easier in recent years as there's simply much less competition and more money buying no matter what the economic conditions or monetary policy are to exploit. I've written a blog post on my take in depth on the subject here: https://grizzlybulls.com/blog/time-in-the-market-vs-timing-t...

pyrrhotech··on Show HN: Simulate dollar-cost averaging in any mix of stocks
Right, but as it mentions there, "Continuous data is from 5-Aug-2008 , Individual contracts start with VXF09 (March 2009)". To calculate the Vix Futures curve, our models need the individual contract intraday breakdown not just the intraday data for the front-month contract. I'm sure this data exists somewhere but I haven't found anyone willing to sell it to me. If you do, please let me know!

I can assure you that there's no conspiracy to start the models right at the start of the last bull market, and I'd be elated to get my hands on the data for this as well as a couple other indicators that don't stretch back as far. Though there is no guarantee, market volatility, bear markets and general downturns are actually the conditions that enable the models to outperform. During buy signals which can be quite lengthy in periods of low volatility during bull markets, the returns are exactly equivalent to buy & hold.

pyrrhotech··on Show HN: Simulate dollar-cost averaging in any mix of stocks
Healthy skepticism is warranted! I've answered several of these in previous HN comments such as https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=pyrrhotech&next=3012... and https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=pyrrhotech&next=3012... but in brief:

1. Vix Futures are a huge part of all the VIX based models. Vix Futures came out in 2004 but the earliest intraday per-contract data publicly available is in 2009 which is needed to calculate the futures curve.

2. Slippage is included in the modeled returns but taxes are not, as mentioned in the tooltip. Taxes are not included because they vary widely by location, account type and implementation method. I've also written at large about how to minimize taxes on the blog. As a conservative estimate, feel free to multiply returns by 0.75x to get equivalent after-tax CAGR, but in most cases you'd beat this in real life.

3. Correct, and I make no guarantee that they will always be available. As of now, selling access to them in no way negatively impacts my own returns. I've met a lot of people in this journey and I enjoy leading a community and making an impact. I also make a significant amount of MRR that has grown substantially from the start of the year that gets reinvested into the models in my own account. I consider Grizzly Bulls to be a win-win alternative to the hedge fund industry for those interested in alternative investments. We've only ever had one Platinum member cancel, and given the model's underperformance in Q1 it was understandable. Since Q1, the model has been crushing the market, and it makes me happy to see our customers happy as well. Finally, as I mention several places, no one should ever expect any model to achieve 100% of its backtest performance, but there's enough leeway in the performance and drawdown figures to underperform the backtest and still generate substantial alpha, which has been my experience running them live for over 2 years now.

pyrrhotech··on Show HN: Simulate dollar-cost averaging in any mix of stocks
IMO it's easier and less work to outperform the indices with a combination of passively holding ETFs like VTI / VOO and strategic hedging based on quantitative leading indicators of economic trouble rather than trying to pick individual stocks. It's also more tax-efficient since you can continue to defer gains in the held ETFs while hedging with Section 1256 contract futures or options instead of constantly trading in and out of individual stocks and being hit with a lot of capital gains tax.

My system is down -1.58% this year compared to -17.39% for the SPX for a nearly 16% outperformance margin. I've documented the results and information about it here: https://grizzlybulls.com/models/vix-ta-macro-mp-extreme

pyrrhotech··on Ask HN: Why can't we comment on “X is Hiring” posts?
Most of them aren't really hiring, but instead using the thread as covert advertisement for brand. In fact, HN largely exists in general to promote YC companies. Why would they allow comments on these threads, of which a large majority are likely to be negative, given this agenda?
pyrrhotech··on Dear startups: I hate subscription services (2021)
in the short run, yes, in the long run, no
pyrrhotech··on Dear startups: I hate subscription services (2021)
take a look at ADBE stock chart before and after they switched to SAAS model
pyrrhotech··on Tether Withdrawals Top $10B
That's how it should work. What if instead, multibillion dollar exchanges that have a vested interest in keeping the price of crypto propped up instead paid Tether much smaller numbers to print out of thin air and create artificial demand during any price drops?
pyrrhotech··on Former NY Fed President: If Stocks Don't Fall, the Fed Needs to Force Them
As the Fed has backstopped every drop since 2009 with seemingly endless liquidity, passive investing has been all the rage over the last decade+. Unfortunately, the party is coming to an end soon, and who knows how history will judge the Fed's experimental QE and ZIRP policies in retrospect. With inflation at 40 year highs, the Fed no longer has the privilege of supporting the passive indexers like it did in the past.

Being worried about very low or even negative real returns over the next 10-15 years (as has happened many times in the past, most recently 2000-2013) led me to start building sophisticated algorithmic trading models that can produce positive absolute returns in any market context in early 2020. While there have been ups and downs, I've turned 525k into 1.4M since deploying live in April 2020. I've recently decided to publish 7 of them at https://grizzlybulls.com, 3 totally free and 4 premium.

pyrrhotech··on Veloren is a multiplayer voxel RPG written in Rust
How do you implement all the things the game engine gives you for free? Physics, camera, scene management, lighting, colliders, shaders, navmesh, etc. It seems like an impossible feat to implement all this yourself PLUS build a game on top. Wouldn't just building the game itself be a 2000-20,000 hour project? And I imagine building the game engine would be an order of magnitude more complex, if not more time
pyrrhotech··on Zuckerberg Has Burned $500B Turning Facebook to Meta
Though management's questionable shift in focus to the Metaverse over its core apps and spending $10B+ annually on it is certainly largely responsible for the drop, it's also clear the the competition of its core apps is fiercer than ever. Unlike a search engine (GOOG) or ecommerce site (AMZN) that have more evergreen business models, every new generation wants to use a different social media platform than its parents which makes FB's business model inherently more risky and difficult to maintain long term, which is large part of the reason that even before this dubious shift, the market had assigned FB the lowest P/E ratio out of all big tech.
pyrrhotech··on Ask HN: What are your hobbies?
Running, reading, gaming and algotrading
pyrrhotech··on Amazon.com announces fourth quarter results [pdf]
The numbers were pretty bad, big miss on revenue and guidance below analyst expectations. It seems the market was pricing in even worse numbers, given the terrible stock performance over the last quarter and last 18 months. It's really only up 6-7% over yesterday's close after taking out today's fear drop related to the abysmal FB report yesterday. After FB's most disastrous ER in modern history for a megacap, just about anything looks better in comparison.
pyrrhotech··on A year on, GameStop champion Roaring Kitty is quiet, yet much richer
Truly amazing how well that worked out. I sat watching in disbelief while his returns in a week were more than mine over the last 2 years. Nevertheless I'm content with the steady path of passive investing + my algotrading models guiding my hedging decisions.

It's the best of both worlds to me, I don't have to pick stocks or worry about the markets because the models tell me when it's time to hedge. My strongest model (https://grizzlybulls.com/models/vix-ta-macro-mp-extreme) has returned > 70% ROI since April 2020, and 60% ROI longer term in the backtest with much lower volatility than the market as a whole.

pyrrhotech··on The Pandemic Boom Goes Bust
Highly insightful. The pandemic stimulus isn't the only cause though, more like the icing on the cake. The experimental QE and ZIRP policies probably won't be looked at too kindly 50 years from now when economists are still trying to understand and prevent another "Everything Bubble" from ever forming again.

The next 10-15 years for investors are likely to be much more challenging than the last. How do you navigate such a climate with extreme overvaluation in all asset classes? That's why I'm building sophisticated algotrading models at https://grizzlybulls.com to help determine when to hedge and produce positive absolute returns regardless of market environment.

pyrrhotech··on UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B
Thanks for the detailed response, I'll do my best to answer:

1. Internally, the model does work on a sort of weightings / probability system but it's not so simple as boiling down to a single probability figure, i.e. if it hits over 60% we trigger buy or less than 40% trigger sell. Instead there are a few phases in signal change identification starting with an attempt to classify overall fundamentals and market move and moving down to the more granular indicators based on each level of abstraction. Certain low level indicators mean very different things based on the higher level classifier output. However, I could feasibly attempt to boil down to some sort of confidence or probability figure and expose it. I'll need to do some rigorous internal testing to ensure that it conveys accurate information first, but it's a good suggestion.

2. I think the fairest way to report the results is with a 1x/0x (long with no leverage on buy signal, market neutral on short) and then let the users decide whether to use leverage or to short the market during sell signals. Personally I have used leverage here and there and I tend to dial it up or down based on how well the model seems to be performing at a given time. However, I think it's important to note that no model can ever be 100% free from overfitting, and while a great deal of effort has been made to generalize and widen params and heuristics, there's bound to still be some and even I don't know to what degree. This, plus the fact that algotrading becomes more competitive every year means that I think it's prudent to conservatively expect returns somewhere in the 50-100% wide range of the past, which could also mean drawdowns a bit larger than the backtest shows. And of course, black swan risk is ever present. Finally, the models only go back to 2009, so we don't have great data to indicate how they might perform in a more harsh bear market such as 2007-2009 or 2000-2003. This is an unfortunate coincidence as one of the key indicators, Vix Futures, only came to be in late 2004 and the earliest I could find intraday data broken into distinct contracts (not just continuous front month) was early 2009.

As far as my occasional contradictory past reporting of my own financial position. There's a couple reasons this could be--at times I've included less liquid assets (private company shares, family business interest, 401k, home equity, etc), and at others I've only reported what's immediately available to me and highly liquid (bot account + emergency fund, etc). I feel I've probably erred on the side of sharing too much personal financial details over the years, but it is what it is. Secondly, I've not always been a stable investor. I hate to admit that back in the day I was a bit of a WSBer at times. Never consistently, but sometimes I'd get caught up in the FOMO and make a rash (and often too large) bet on an earnings report or something and (though I won a few times) usually end up losing my ass. As such my net worth was pretty volatile between 2013-2018. I've since given that all up and the bot has helped assuage my inner gambler. I also used to follow some other folks' timing systems back then and learned the hard way that most don't work, so all skepticism is warranted. Even I like to keep a skeptical mind about the future of my own models which is why I reported the wide range of expected outcome above

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