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The response I get offline is that there's millions of seniors right now that can last a couple decades.

How much are you willing to pay? Is there any expectation of payoff?

Dude, the time for work is going down drastically, about a third of before. Are you not facing it?

To give you the benefit of doubt - you're not paying attention. The 100$ claude account is profitable inference wise, and performs better than 80% of engineers with upto 5YOE. Architects I speak with want to delegate to this 100$ agent rather than 10000$ engineer.

It is absolutely more cost efficient. Junior engineers are done for.

Sending you empathy. I think we have to get used to the lower pay expectation. This is the biggest negative, which does not make up for all of the AI's upsides.

It does not exclude. But the expectation of larger money has to go. They're literally competing with 100 dollars a month.

Your getting unnecessarily down voted by devs who want to feel morally superior, but don't have any concrete answer to the conundrum you've posed.

It's about money, and the actual solution would be to lower pay at senior level and give it to juniors, with some lock in agreed by the junior in exchange for this grace.

I doubt the vast majority will agree to this.

What happened with Wikipedia? I thought they run a tight optimum ship?

Is there not a higher productivity expectation for you? How are you going to meet those without agents?

pi, openclaw, vinext, browser, ccc compiler, the scope is only growing.

Look for the claude icon in the trending GitHub repos https://github.com/trending. It's like on all of them.

It's hard. :( .. Those who are not accepting this are in cognitive dissonance.

Ive been wondering as well and it seems acceptance is the only way. The evidence keeps piling with every successful larger and larger GitHub project we see

The money points hurts yes. We were worth 200 per hour, and as of yesterday were compared to bring 2 dollars per hour, and going down.

The thing is feeling bad or complaining about this does nothing. What else then? Acceptance?

This projects huge commit list proves this wrong :(

I think this framing is wrong. we have to learn to accept that it's not stealing. It's a new world where it's fair use and we don't know how to deal with it.

If we accept this then we can do something about it. Without it no one will heed us.

This matters less and less in the new world. that fact that a fully compatible 10x faster clone came up, and is continuously working and adapting/improving, tells you that this is hugely valuable. It has users and it's thriving.

Caring about taste in coding is past now. It's sad :( but also something to accept.

Training falls outside of copyright concerns because of fair use, so proprietary or free is orthogonal. This is how the world is currently trending.

This is incorrect. IN the older world, you would not say intelligence autocompleted code was not copyrightable. Agentic code is the same on steroids. The strong argument: It's absolutely auto completed code for the prompter, and hence fully copyright-able by them.

Many did it for liberty - a philosophical position on freedom in software. They're supercharged with AI.

Internships are these, and are getting longer. I'm also thinking this is what will stop the transfer of roles to another part of the world.

Of course using AI is a skill. But the effort needed to get there is becoming lower and lower.

The solution is simple, but unpalatable to us. With AI, SWE-1 becomes a minimum wage job, with SWE2 (1.5X), SWE3 (2X) and SWE4 (3x). With such a rationalization we will retain more of the work here, or this will move. Government policies cannot control this as it will mean losing tech hegemony.

Is it worth taking a hit on higher compensation for longer term peace of mind?

If we're honest - you are not being stopped from mentoring developers. You're saying you'd want to do it on time paid for by others, and competing with teams not doing that.

So the actual pain point is compensation, and IMO we should directly call that out and address it.

But it's not open, and can't be edited by those who want to. We should always support FOSS.

You can call out that you're an APIdog employee. Even better stop astroturfing.

That's not the widespread change I'm seeing. The actual widespread change I'm seeing is the deep, overt and silent change in the expectations of productivity. Some of us are reaching out skill ceiling, and some others are finding wind under their wings. Sad about the former.

Indeed, it's the Overton window that has moved. Which is why I secretly think the pro-AI side is more right than the anti-AI side. Makes me sad.