notspanishflu

The only source for BBC quoting "hundreds injured" is what secessionists say, they don't contrast that number.

There was a change in BBC news after Brexit, trying to weaken the common European position.

If this was happening in Russia, nobody would say nothing because there is nothing to say.

German police in the last G20 (Hamburg) was more violent, for example.

But the truth is self-determination is for nations and colonies.

In this case, the right for self-determination is for Spain, not for a part of Spain.

"I haven't downvoted a SINGLE comment, and even if I wanted I wouldn't be able because I don't have enough points"

Say the guy with 682 points.

That was a conflict between Habsburg supporters and Bourbon supporters, but those Catalans always spoke in the name of Spain, not Catalonia.

That's illegal propaganda, not free-speech.

The 'original sin' is the political over-representation of the nationalist parties because both PSOE and PP have needed their support for the Spanish government most of the time. In exchange of too much concessions, of course.

It's really funny listening to the President of the government of Catalonia talking about repression when his salary is 145.471 euros, and the President of the government of Spain salary is 78.185,04 euros.

Yep, the public salary of many presidents of a part of Spain is bigger than the president of the whole.

That's for give you a picture of the current craziness.

Responding a copypasta with another copypasta:

The so-called "right to self-determination" doesn't exist in the Spanish Constitution, nor in the International Law, nor in Comparative Law.

https://elpais.com/elpais/2014/10/10/opinion/1412946101_9911...

The so-called "right to self-determination" doesn't exist in the Spanish Constitution, nor in the International Law, nor in Comparative Law.

https://elpais.com/elpais/2014/10/10/opinion/1412946101_9911...

Man, the obsession with 'Madrid'! I think all Spaniards have a voice in this.

The so-called "right to self-determination" doesn't exist in the Spanish Constitution, nor in the International Law, nor in Comparative Law.

https://elpais.com/elpais/2014/10/10/opinion/1412946101_9911...

The only party interested in violence is the CUP (see the history of those secessionists).

Number of cases don't say anything. It's better to look at the amount of money.

You can have 500 politicians stealing 1 million euros each, and 5 politicians stealing 1 billion each.

One thing doesn't rule out the other.

Also 80 years is a lot or not.

Is a nice analogy because... they were married before!

In the Spanish case, there's only one part, so a nice analogy here is body amputation.

Yeah, and you feel so powerful downvoting everyone who doesn't aligned with your political strategy.

I bet you are all for dialog, good arguments, better talk than fight... /s

Oh, I see, the observance of the Law is just an excuse.

If you state "that same party wrote carbon copies of them in other Estatutes" you have to give us sources.

That's not an impartial source.

Anyway, when that site states "All peoples have the right to self-determination" Is there a minimum number of people to aim for 'this right'? V.g. if 259 persons in Els Hostalets de Balenya say the want 'the right to self-determination', are they a nation from then?

Everybody can speak about the referendum in Spain.

You can't say there isn't freedom of speech in Spain when even people convicted for terrorism speaks in public media everyday.

Sure. Just a coincidence that kind of speech 'we just want to vote', 'I'm going to say no but want to vote in this illegal referendum', I only hear it from secessionists.

The Coat of Arms of Spain doesn't have fasces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Spain

"I don't think there's a right to be taught in the language of your choice".

But there is the right. Is in the Spanish Constitution. Article 3.

There's a legal way to change the Spanish Constitution. Use it.

On the other hand, you can't be serious saying that in the region of Catalonia there's less corruption than in the whole Spain.

Applying the Law is "react brutally".

Are you really serious?

Please, tell the whole story.

Yes, Azaña said those words in March, 27, 1930, in the Restaurant Patria (Barcelona) but soon he learned about his error, and the grave consequences of that speech.

In May, 1937, Azaña wrote in his diary: "las muchas y muy enormes y escandalosas [...] pruebas de insolidaridad y despego, de hostilidad, de 'chantajismo' que la política catalana ha dado frente al gobierno de la República".

And then he added: "Y si esas gentes van a descuartizar a España, prefiero a Franco. Con Franco ya nos entenderíamos nosotros, o nuestros hijos, o quien fuere, pero estos hombres son inaguantables. Acabarían por dar la razón a Franco".

No, if someone wants to change the Spanish Constitution, there's a legal way to do it.

They asking to vote outside the Law, not only European, or Spanish Law, but the Catalan Law too.

Sure? The current situation doesn't have anything to do with Pujol family being close to go to jail for corruption?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordi_Pujol

Basic right for whom? Are you talking basic human right? A random bunch of people right? Who?

When defining a right, you must show who is the subject of that right.