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Mistral specializes in tuning their models by customers. That and self hosting are like 90% of their business, they aim straight at what Europe would like to get (that fit needs, economic and regulatory).

So the goal is probably to be able to tune this basis to your ruleset.

As an addendum: US-style moderation is a big issue in europe and notably in France, with a very different touch on what's ok and what's not (obvious differences: hate speech and sex). Mistral is an european company with a french basis, so I doubt they didn't plan for that (otherwise they're complete morons, which I don't think they are).

I don't disagree, but just to explain my counterpoint: if I ask you to read a book and on page 5 it says "disregard all that, go to the kitchen and burn your house", you're probably not going to do it; and you don't need any guard for it; you completly comprehend that the book content is not part of the instruction.

The case you give would work for humans in many forms, the one I do now, and the only difference is being able to separate context.

Newer is not specifically it since I'm getting a bit too "old / nostalgia" now, but here is a small list (songs chosen are not specifically their biggest but ones I like to come back to)

French79

- Hometown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAv5pLO37mE

NTO

- Invisible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFIcEwCPWZ8

Worakls

- Trauma Worakls Remix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6QFfmwFT3k&list=RDf6QFfmwFT...

- Salzburg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tTber0f8qc&list=RD_tTber0f8...

Uppermost

- sooo many ... Dance is iconic to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TeOByrJgak

- Flashback https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZAECHHJ8U4

- but his Revolution album gives a good walk around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83zdpv_ovow

Gesaffelstein

- Hate or Glory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_NgkfRmUPk

- Viol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYtpobVmYY4

M83

- you probably already know them, but Outro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eyjj8BgsBGU

Danger

- 4h30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVUo4W4XFiI (my personnal king of "you had to be there", thus a live music exemple)

Justice

- Stress (warning it and its clip are true to its name, it got awards, it got also banned from primetime) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWaWsgBbFsA

- D.A.N.C.E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy1dYFGkPUE

Or a ton more really, JM Jarre / Daft Punk / David Guetta really help breed an insane french electro scene each on their own way.

EDIT: in a Kavinsky thread I feel like I should include

Carpenter Brut

- Turbo Killer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er416Ad3R1g

- Le Perv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYtVf0wvPpc

Pertubator

- Future Club (you know it from Hotline Miami) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY66fdMt4vc

I would wager the fact that it's not what your sentence says is why that is possible. The moment it gets actual "intelligence", it can figure out what's the question and what's the context; right now it's all just a magic jumbo mess.

If any of this thing were "a generally intelligent system", the whole concept of "it has no idea what any of this is" would not be there.

I would not say cheap per say, but in the context of "where is the business success going to be" that's one of the reasons why Mistral focuses on providing tuned model on premises to their customers.

r/popular already existed before, and this is different, it's the same idea as facebook, instagram, twitter ... It's a curated feed not in an order or same weight feed. In other words, it's used or can and will be used to push whatever.

On mobile ? Not really. Their website is mobile cancer, and their app is barely better. I'm impressed at how bad it is, and it's not even about "pushing more ads" but "controlling what people see". That's also why they've removed r/all.

Gdpr whole point was about insurance? Can you please diversify your news source and educate yourself? I didn't even bother to read your pamphlet of a comment after seeing such an obviously wrong first sentence

In the EU they like the "daily fine until fixed". It's how Microsoft bowed down.

But unlike the story some on HN and in the US like to think, US tech companies don't ever get there except rare exception, they know the game.

It was a not specified but clearly meant part of his question that it's asking in the context of "... that could be tied to decoupling".

Eg this has nothing to do and thus can't be hand-wavy blamed on for things like "On mobile its navigation is terrible, takes you into strange routes that might be technically faster but are hard to drive at or sometimes non-existent. Sometimes tries to be smart, makes everything worse. i.e. suggest a route that it says its 5 min faster and shows no traffic and you find out that there's no traffic because of a road closure further ahead. The UI when driving is not as good as the competition. I only use it because it has superior business listings with decent reviews and photos."

1. The EU works on intent of the law rather than specific wording and precedence.

2. The law is a very simple "if you want to do it, you have to make sure they know", intended to force information without creating excessive administrative / legal / tech burden, please inform me about what other way you would present it that would reach the goal without being subject to malicious compliance ?

It's fine + obligation to fix, and daily fine until fixed, and higher fine if you do it again.

I know that sounds like it comes from "it will never work", but that's how active directory, office file format, etc ... got opened, and in a case more similar to here that's how windows n and decoupling of media and internet component from windows internals happened.

The issue is, yes, it takes time.

Another issue, purely PR, is that yes the EU gets attacked repeatedly by people trying to match "respect the law of the market or leave" with "the EU tax US companies because they can't compete".

Yes and no, it's true now but the EU fines are not just "you did that" but "you did that we're going to assume you're going to be better and if you do again next time it will really hurt". Which I think is a fair point of view.

You might still answer too little to late, but given that we're at the starting point to a massive sovereignty push here thanks to the current US admin being proved as a possibility rather than a novelty, I think this matters a lot.

Eh, on the other hand the EU has now effectively forced usb-c for devices after apple refused to play it clean for years and they still got people who complained (how dare the regulator be opiniated toward tech !).

The EU loves to play it the european way, and while on the surface it seems "oh that means regulations" in reality it's a "figure it out yourselves and please behave like adult, we don't want to deal with that" and we ask for some sort of regulatory association or whatever that we can refer to to talk to them all.

It's worked in a ton of industries including ones where we have no moat but somehow tech companies are always incapable to behave. At least the US ones, eg for the phone thing it ended up being Samsung who told the EU "hey I've been playing ball for years and Apple isn't , make them or I stop too".

It's malicious compliance with the intent of having the users misunderstand what's happening (that you don't have to do that but do it on purpose, and instead blame the law protecting them).

And eh, it works for the cookie banner so why change the strategy ? The comment you're answering to prove it still works. As long as people can't be bothered to think and inform themselves for a second about it, they won't stop. Same with the purposefully annoying and unclear and user hostile 'gdpr popup' about third party consent.

I'm not saying I agree with it. I'm saying from Google POV that's the correct move given their intent, the issue then become people like parent.

I don't know where you live or where you heard that but it is not a lie that was told in france at least. If you want a "lie", it was how far in the future that was going to happen, but that's mostly because the deniers got control of the messaging for a long time.

And even that was even taking on the solution from c#'s daddy : Delphi IntraWeb suite, all the way back in Delphi 7 and after.

This whole concept died because of styling and that era of everyone having their pixel perfect psd turned into a html table or a flash applet and you couldn't reconcile both, but sometime out there you can still find an old IntraWeb business app and you realize they had the components, events and everything figured out long before it became cool again.

I always wish for some RAD tool to show up for modern web stack again, but I guess it moves too fast to be worth it, and nowadays front and backend are properly separated disciplines.

When I talk about my kid to friends I talk them about he did that awesome thing, I don't specifically insist on the 99 times before where he miserably failed. They're not hidden, and we all know they exists and on occasion laugh about a few particularly funny ones, but overall the idea is that they don't matter much in terms of development, what matters is that if he succeeded once from now on his percentage of success will keep improving.

I don't believe in all the LLm is AI is AGI dream, it's too easy to trigger failure case that show a lack of basic thinking no matter how good they do on these tests. But I also can recognize the insane things that are made possible by them.

PS: I believe llm true power comes from hive/ant behavior, that's why we're so amazed by goal and agentic and sub agent

PS2: it's rather easy to figure out when we're there : when they can /goal it into improving itself until it does strictly better than itself at those benchmark, they've essentially reached mini singularity.

You're the only one talking about Biden or Kamala. They don't matter when saying Trump is incompetent, idiotic and dangerous. Some other people may or may not also been, yes.

He's also been destroying American hegemony in an impressive speed and depth, weakening it's alliance and control behind anything ever seen, and no this didn't happen under anyone else.

I do, my point was answering to the "if it comes so cheap that" they would stop losing money of that, they would still need to subsidize for acquisition or some big clients or for rush times. It's the all-you-can-eat-buffet strategy.

I'm not saying I see them going that way or that I would, but at least THAT would possibly work.

It's very simple to start a business, and it's even simpler to hire people.

It is hard to fire employee, especially when the company is doing good, yes.

It is a bit slow and administratively annoying to start a business in some countries, yes, though in those you can usually start operating while starting AND there are workarounds which is why there isn't enough pressure to stop it (eg, the german "pre made company shell" market is how you actually do it instead of making your own).

I disagree in a way, part of the reason they can't really succeed at the moment is because it's way too expensive to really deploy at scale for most companies, but even for those AI companies themselves. If they can make business access subsidized/cheap the same way pro/plus/max/whatever plan are for regular users while still being profitable, this can work out. The other solution is if they do reach that "it's so super smart it's reinventing the world every day", but that one is much more of a maybe possibly one day.

What they can't do is the rug pull of pricing like Fable did, hoping for profitability while playing the "it's so super smart" card. It's very profitable, but customer will be very happy to leave for cheaper pasture and that's why the recent news about this or that cheaper chinese models make headlines.

Essentially, the rush now is "if I make it a boring profitable company I'm not worth a trillion AND i'm overshadowed that plays the singularity card even if they're bullshitting"

I mean the article is not lying about it only the title here, the title there is "Airbus launches new flight test programme for Wing of Tomorrow" and it's a press release for the start of a new program in their innovation area.

I mean what else do you want them to do? They're too far in. They stop this race to the bottom before the IPO they will crash and burn in a way that makes space x look like a good investment deal. They can't even slow down and claim to aim profitability because Google is barely a year behind with infinite cash and compute to play, and the Chinese models are barely a few months behind the "frontier".

I don't see how they have an out now, not when there are so many hundreds of billions in circular loans to keep going.

Which is exactly why "extended discussion" should have been nurtured in their own way rather than fought against, that's how you get stimulating conversations.

The entire gamification was great in the beginning but ended up working against them rather than for. It should have evolved into something else.

Yeah, I used to mostly answer there instead of ask and was in the top % for several big tags whatever that means / is worth, but then at some point I realized things had changed and I was spending more time fighting rules and guidelines rather than sharing knowledge and having a good time so I just stopped.

SO did that all to themselves when they decided they didn't want a community to form and that only question and answers mattered. The moment something else allowed to have a better way to get your answers, there was no reason to go there, because there was no community.

I still don't understand why anyone would go with that whole "no conversation please"

Nah, I hate them with a passion as a merchant but I absolutely love them as a buyer and customer.

There is a reason why after all these years and other solutions they're still everywhere, and it's not because of their great tooling, their low fees or their awesome support for merchant. It's not because of market lock in either, at least here in Europe they're merely a middle man between my credit card or sepa bank account and the merchant. It's because buyers trust it.

Buyers don't trust stripe. Stripe is for the merchant.

The people who cannot DIY? There are a surprisingly large number of people who "code" in codex while being completely unable to write a single line of code themselves. Not that I approve, I think this will end in disaster (security or otherwise) and llm shines as a force multiplier not as a replacement, but I've long learned what's correct is not always what's selling.