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Yeah but then it doesn't matter if it's "the model changed to another one" or "the model changed but it's the same name". Point is, you're not hosting it, as far as you know it can change at any moment, build around that idea. Is that great no, is that ideal no, that's why I self host (I include actually renting online the capacity and hosting the model myself on it).

I think it depends on the workload, which put you in the right (in some case, it's dangerous to do that), but for me even for very clean always correct path I always assume a model can, at time, have a vector brain fart (because it keeps happening).

Also in principle it's similar to Anthropic downgrading.

Personally I use the basis that if I don't self host (I include remote host, but that I pay per hosting nor per model or api), it can change behavior without me asking. But they shouldn't, but it doesn't matter that's what they do.

Usually I would very much agree with you, but those things are not deterministic so if that's an issue for you you're probably not making the right choices.

> Also there was a little outcry that the original artist just received the royalty free platform usual ridiculously small one time payment.

I mean, if I tell you I'm to sell something to you for 5 dollars and you will be allowed to do this or that with it, and you give me the 5 dollars and then do this or that, it's a bit ridiculous to then have an "outcry" that you were successfull at doing this or that so you owe me more.

Not trying to offend but artists willing to make bird logo for cheap are a dime a dozen, which is why those site exists in the first place, and they didn't care about which one exactly which is why they went on that site to buy it; it's ot like there was any vile or unfair action being done there.

The genesis of jellyfin is as a fork of Emby by part of the developper who saw the need for finance of Emby to start driving choices being made in the project rather than user and technical needs and merits.

Part of the team needed it, part of it saw that as something that shouldn't go that way, so they did what you're supposed to do in open source and forked. Ergo they are very much against doing that for that specific project.

The genesis of jellyfin is as a fork of Emby by part of the developper who saw the need for finance of Emby to start driving choices being made in the project rather than user and technical needs and merits.

Part of the team needed it, part of it saw that as something that shouldn't go that way, so they did what you're supposed to do in open source and forked.

So it's not really a surprise they don't go that way.

> 2. Isar Aerospace is the first fully private European company (a startup) to do this. Arianespace and the Ariane rockets have heavy state/ESA involvement.

To go even further: ~60% of Ariane Group revenue is from the french state, for their nuclear launch system. The whole ariane space rocket is their side show, a way to reduce cost for France by getting the market to pay some of the R&D.

Maybe I phrased it wrong, it's not my native language ? I meant it "it's not just a military restriction thing when they think there is military danger, it's an economic thing for when they can take advantage over a seller, and who the buyer is doesn't even matter".

Says who ? Not the people who live there and not the people of France and not the UN, so who cares about your random opinion on the internet

No, what you say is quite literally my argument; that the "Europe" is not the argument I value by itself for sovereignty

You have events completly backward, Russia was already invading when Macron said it. If you can't even get years in the right order you're not really arguing in good faith.

Agreed, the moment we allowed MBDA to put some american component in our (French) missiles made with european allies (Scalp, Meteor), the US blocked our sales to Egypt because they wanted to sell their own instead, using ITAR, forcing us to fix it for the french version.

The US has repeatedly proven that ITAR is for them as much of a military thing as it is an economic one, and that they're willing to use it against allies. If we refuse to learn that lesson, it's on us not them.

I have no idea what's your point but I have to say I find "The country is [...] siding with islamists" when we were literally the only country willing to defend the freedom to speech and caricature religion a couple years ago against islamism, with Quebec the outlier that sided with us (even though Canada did not).

Overall: I don't think any country should be on top. I'm glad France is not number one, and I hope it remains strong but never get in that position again. Part of why I love the EU is that no one, not even us or germany, is strong enough to fully impose its will without concession. Some would disagree with that, but they clearly don't know their history. So ... I'm not sure what your point is, but I think I disagree with it.

Believe me, I'm even more worried than you. I think Melanchon would actually do more damage, as crazy as it seems, Le Pen is incompetent and a sellout, Melanchon actually believes the BS he vomits.

Macron finished the traditionnal left and right wing parties, which were too large and rotten to the core, but it's left us with a large center and two extremes, it's high time we have the normies left and right come back.

> didn't Macron also say he would deploy French troops in Ukraine?

No he did not, he said he refused to rule it out: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/27/french-preside...

So I would recommend making sure to inform yourself properly rather than assuming what you read (or thought you read) is correct

> Surely Ukraine is an "EU neighbor". They're currently suffering from an actual aggressor (Putin), not merely theoretical (Trump).

But as you said, they're NOT EU, not in an official military alliance with France. If you cannot see the difference between the two situation, I can't make it any clearer for you.

If you're saying "we should do the same for those that are out that for those that are in", what you are saying is "being in has no purpose, why take the commitment". I believe your point of view is as wrong as can be.

Yeah but although the crazies in charge have been very negative toward our continent and my country (Frace), they've also steered very clear away from any seizing claim about any of our territory, despite going against anyone from Canada to Denmark to Spain to UK, to ...

Deep down, we're an annoyingly arrogant little country with delusions of grandeur salivating at the thought to prove to our EU neighbors how strong we meant it when we said we would accept to oppose the US in case of military attack and I think they knew we may actually mean it and not back down when it start (see also: Denmark leak about how France was essentially willing to provide whatever to help defend Greenland).

I'm not saying this in a "we're awesome" way, more like a hard case of the TACO, bullies avoid the ones who punch back. Nothing would be happening in Iran right now if they had not believed in advance Iran would lie down like Venezuela did after losing its leader, though most would say confusing the two situation makes no sense.

Ultimately this is so much lost time and resources for nothing of value, it's so utterly disappointing...

What is even your point in all those messages ? If we were to take all of your comments in this thread, and we all agree with no exception to them, it doesn't change anything to the conversation, it doesn't make any point, it does't provide anything interesting, you're just dead set on commenting in a loop that the sky is green

Think about it, what are you saying that adds to a German company successfully launching into space from Norway ?

The European parliament and US congress are both just as united and fragmented.

We disagree internally until we find a common posture that we adopt.

I'm not sure why you talk California public sector instead of something involving multiple states that have differing views, that makes your comparison useless, that's why I say US congress.

Note that your misunderstanding of the situation and lack of knowledge about it is not rare per se, to give an exemple that's why a fair amount of brexiter politician were surprised the EU didn't break itself in internal fight over the UK deal (while they were used to the inside squabble when they were a member, and they failed to notice the similarity with their own parliament compared to their country).

Eh hard disagree there, the way I see it there is no more squabble between France and Poland than there is between Texas and California or between Spain and Romania compared to New york and Virginia. In fact, I would say we have LESS of it.

The only thing we need is to actually stop ignoring the forest for the tree and see that the world moved on beyond our petty local borders and we're lucky enough to have found a system where we're stronger together, to the point where we matter in the world and can't be ignored or pushed aside, while also protecting the core of each of our own cultural societies (langugage, history, ...), and only fools would let that go because they're too close minded to see it.

Congratulation and great news ! For Europe, but also the world, space access is one of those frontiers we can (and I believe will) see truly opened in my lifetime and I find that truly awesome.

Interestingly there still seems to be a difference in approach between "few launch, expected to go well" in europe and "many launch as trial and error" in the US, with other countries falling somewhere in between those two limits, it's often seen as a threat here of "if we don't do more more often we won't make any progress" but ignoring the economical side (and I think it's fair, given than even with massive subsidies SpaceX is not financially viable until it feed itself through Starlink) it's been a remarkable series of years for new European vehicules launch success.

Also one thing I have to point:

> Europe now has sovereign access to space.

I understand what is meant here, and of course said company need to push that forward, but French Guyana is full french territory, it's not even a foreign territory. It's part of the EU (known as the outermost region of the European Union), EU law applies, it's citizens are EU citizens, EU citizens from other countries can freely move and work and live there ... It's technicaly more EU than Norway.

But less Europe than Norway, sure. Still, on the context of "sovereign access", I would argue both side of that coin have their attributes, and for long term sovereignty I would prefer EU territory instead of "inside-europe-Belarus" for exemple.

Yes, the generic system I built has unsloth/qwen3.8-27b with a 48000 context size running on each employee system with lmstudio, with a simple runner to watch folders and pass it to the llm alongside all context (our company design rules, our legal documents, our contractual rules, our applicable local law and reglementation, ...), return is then mailed to them or added to their personal dashboard event list, depending on their settings.

This is clearly pushing it memory wise and the gpu offloading is only partial but LM studio deal with it automatically and it's being fine even on the 4071 Ti desks (Ryzen 7500F and 32 GB of ram), employees get any feedback in ~20 minutes after they dropped a file (it's much smoother on the 5080 desks obivously), for live it's useless but as background helper it's great and the very large context allows us to fit all the rules we want in there.

One caveat has been to not ask it if everything is ok, but to find what's wrong - but always source and explain it and justify itself, never drown the user in warning in suggestions; goal is to help and provide a second pair of eyes not make them feel annoyed or unsecure.

And I found people to genuinely enjoy something that works for them on their own machine and is not tracked "by the boss", thus the assistant reference, than than a centralized mothership like we also have and they have access to. I also allow them to disable it if they want, I trust them with their work, but a second pair of eyes is always great.

(my previous workhorse for this was Qwen3-14b but it's missing a lot more edge cases)

We would be doing it now if it wasn't cutting into frontier companies' revenue.

Eg if you use Claude, you probably want fable architecting, a couple of opus under it managing sub project and sonnet doing the actual function code, because fable coding a "run a query and filter the result" is a massive waste of abilities. But their own sub agent downgrade is limited to one level so if you use fable it will never direct sonnet coders.

Yeah for live it's a bit on the slower side though still usable on the 4070 ti and 5080 our usual office desk has here, but I found it awesome running on background tasks rather than on demand, things like analyze this and that with this and that ruleset and applicable law warn me with source and justification for any error or missing part etc, qualify each returns with a ranking (certain with source, probable with reason, suggestion),... With its thinking mode enabled and it's great context size abilities it's really powerful, and each employee basically has their own assistant working in the background checking their files on its own as the day progresses

(the main reason is not just cost, it's data not going out and even mess leaving the EU, this essentially frees us of a lot of hurdles)

Qwen 3.8 27B being so good, so easy to run on premise on cheap hardware and having so little limitations compared to what the US decides can or cannot be done is really eye opening.

If you care about points sure, but personnaly I care about price, performance, speed and reliability

Accordit to reddit talk, Fable 5.1 is worse than Opus 4.6 and 8B models are smarter than Qwen 3.8 Max, I wouldn't take anything said there with any more reliability than an instagram short.

What's interesting is that if you ask 5.6 Sol or Opus 5 they will tell you it's a bad idea to have the reviewer be the dumber of the set as it can't judge them properly to decide who is right, and thus if one is better because it found an answer that's better but contradict the obvious it would be biased against. I know because I just had a consensus conversation with them this afternoon about a design that was similar (though about something completly different than judging agentic quality or whatever).

> But they didn't find it. The Big LLM provider accepted guilt and paid a fine.

That's not how it works. You have to give it back.

Otherwise, the distiller can just pay a fine (no larger than the original did) and be okay then, right ?

Some will see a great way to standardize and avoid duplication or lag between platforms, allow newcomers to get on more easily, that sort of things.

Others will see as a great way for gate keepers to gate control what can make its way in or not, and suddenly you're in a manifest v3 situation, all US companies and several of them in the same "glob", missing two/three of the obvious other big US ones and all the non US.

I think with how far and deep everything is changing every month in that field, it's very premature. You don't even know what an agent add-on will be six month from now.

Mistral specializes in tuning their models by customers. That and self hosting are like 90% of their business, they aim straight at what Europe would like to get (that fit needs, economic and regulatory).

So the goal is probably to be able to tune this basis to your ruleset.

As an addendum: US-style moderation is a big issue in europe and notably in France, with a very different touch on what's ok and what's not (obvious differences: hate speech and sex). Mistral is an european company with a french basis, so I doubt they didn't plan for that (otherwise they're complete morons, which I don't think they are).