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That happened to more than 30 years ago, like I said in my original statement.

If I refrain from using anything invented and developed from government funding in the last 30 years, what would I have to give up?

just to people who thought masks were a good idea but when the waiter brings the breadsticks it's okay to remove the mask to eat at a crowded public restaurant for some reason

electric cars: invented by private industry, refined by private industry

lithium ion batteries: invented at Exxon and Asahi Kasai corp

AI: refined at IBM culminating in deep blue, refined by Google with BERT, recently refined by Open AI

solar panel: invented by bell labs private industry

modern electronics, medical technology, and green tech??

all so vague, but probably all invented by private industry.

It's actually the reverse with you showing your ignorance.

Reality has a way of asserting itself.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

I don't think that America has a consensus on this at all. Numerous people I talk to think science should be privatized.

And if more people were aware of the corruption that goes on in science the pendulum would quickly swing.

> modern electronics, electric cars, medical treatments are based on recent research. AI, solar energy, green tech

Every single thing you mentioned is a result of private industry.

I've read phys.org....cold fusion has been righttttt around the corner for a century now according to them. So has all of the promising miraculous cancer cures that never materialize.

Even if some research comes from academia, I bet you that private industry would make the same breakthroughs and for far far far less money.

Thats an entirely different discussion as to whether those are legitimate or not.

Completely agreed. The best solution to eliminate government waste is to eliminate the part of the government creating the waste.

The optimal amount of my tax dollars going into government funded science is zero.

Scientists need to earn their money like the rest of the world.

Science is not advancing much now!

What is it produced in the past decade?? Past 30 years??

I've been on this earth for many decades and (other than the internet developed by the military)...the TRILLIONS of tax dollars that have gone into science have yielded nothing to minimal application to my life.

I completely understand your idealistic version of blue sky science needing disinterested non-results-based funding.... but that just turns to corruption and using our tax dollars wastefully with no results with the perpetual excuse of: "it's blue sky research I don't have to prove anything to you just give me more money"

and I've worked in labs and universities and I can 100% tell you scientific corruption with tax dollars is more the rule than the exception.

Nope. I think this is better: We spent zero citizens tax dollars on science grants and all scientists had to get venture capitalist funding like the rest of the world.

I'm completely fine with academic success not being linked to any sort of outcome or result or increase in value to society.

I just don't want them use my tax dollars to do it.

99% of modern scientists would not make it out of series A funding from VCs yet the government keeps throwing millions at them because they keep publishing papers even if the papers provide no value to society. And the people in charge of giving the funding went to the same elite universities as most of the people that are getting the funding.

Theres zero accountability.

Modern science industry is a massive scam. Its literally theft. And hasn't produced much applicable to the actual world in decades.

The solution is to eliminate white collar welfare and make the scientists get their own funding like an entrepreneur or an artist or literally any other field.

Ive worked in government labs and at universities.

The grant money literally pays their salary.

That aside... the amount of ways to commit corruption are endless...

The amount of conferences they had in Italy and Malibu and places like that...

The hot research assistant that never showed up to the lab but got paid.

The endless tech project that took a decade and millions of dollars to write a simple LMS because their buddy ran the LMS company.

The showing up at 10Am and leaving at 3 with a long lunch and working 20 hour work weeks.

The university creating a team devoted to hacking the grant process.

The elite university people in charge of the funding giving their other elite university alumni preferential treatment.

Zero diversity labs because scientists hire their buddies. You can literally walk through university research buildings and see all Indian Labs, all Chinese labs, etc.

The waste is massive and insane with our tax dollars. Its literally white collar welfare. And it happens everywhere and theres no accountability.

Its a giant scam wrapped in the virtue signaling of altruistic science.

It needs to end.

He prob had millions in government grants to write those papers.

Theres no accountability.

This is modern science. This is our tax dollars. And this is at the highest levels.

> The GOP is NOT and has never been big tent

that shows your limited knowledge. California Republicans are very different than Mississippi Republicans.

> GOP generally does not lack in discipline

Are you implying Democrats don't immediately fall in line behind the current issue du jour and vote for who they're told to vote for?

Balance, critical thinking and empathy are important, tribalism and demonization really has no place here.

I think your error is thinking that two parties actually exist and aren't just propaganda by the Oligolopoly.

The difference is that the authoritarian nature of the Democrats allows it to march on 5-6 platform planks exclusively. They publicly focus on a few policy areas, but the masses are riled up about a few social issues the rich people don’t really care about.

The Republican Party is a big tent party that lacks that discipline because of the nature of the coalition. California republicans aren’t voting for the party of religion, but are socially conservative, for example.

Retail politics isn’t a thinking man’s game, but liberalism by its nature is always going to be the more craven, irrespective of party.

> see what I did there? not trying to be preachy, but if you have the illusion that your party is superior be assured people from the other party feel the same way and both sides have fallen prey to tribalism.

Hm I think both parties see the other party as having lack of critical/analytical thinking and not based in reality.

the actual people who lack analytical thinking are the people who aren't aware of this.

> threat to humanity of our own making.

How? Do you have concrete examples or just fear based conjecture?

The past 500 million years have been rich with life.

Everyone is so sensational about climate change but never looks at Earth's history.

Were at the tail end of an ice age.

For most of Earth's history, there were no polar ice caps.

For 400 out of 500 million years the earth was warmer than it is now.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hotte...

https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_widt...

I follow these similarly except use a coworking space and use a separate phone for work in case on call or something.

So out of 10 people in the chain of command nine out of 10 were Indian people and when the non-Indian person was out with an injury he was replaced by an Indian person.

Bingo my bad R.R. wasnt Indian person but he was out with ski accident for like a year...

I see H1Bs becoming more and more prominent in the big companies both as leadership and as ICs.

I was on a team (at a big famous SF company) that was all Indian people on visas and the entire leadership structure up to Satya Nadella was Indian.

If anything this seems ominous for Americans.

this is not even remotely true.

their kids are still getting arranged marriages.

their kids are getting their social networks from their churches.

their kids are going to culturally specific schools.

Even their neighborhoods are culturally specific i.e. Chinatown, Korea town, India town, etc

> People of often having a cultural, religious and moral background completely different to more-or-less original value Canadians? How will that work?

Most are not interested in western culture, they come here specifically for the salary, while maintaining the culture and social networks from where theyre originally from.

And there are 1.5 billion Indians and 1.5 billion Chinese people.

How that will work is: as they become the dominant culture your country will simply become either China west or India west.

In America they let the population of an entire state every year of immigrants into America.

I never have my mind set in the first place.

Life is massively ambiguous with an infinite myriad of solutions to any problem.

I think the smart way to be is to simply say I truly don't know but the data I'm currently using leads me to believe such and such...