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You read the 1000 pages? Respect! But is it even "science" or just a bunch of predictions?
"The doomsday scenarios will come to pass if we don't make some pretty drastic changes."
They won't, and afaik even the IPCC scenarios are not all doomsday scenarios. But there is no point arguing it with true believers.
"But locally some countries are already experiencing the first set of symptoms and it isn't pretty. (Notably: the South of Europe and North Africa)"
Are they? I have asked the question a lot to point out a real climate change impact, and never received an answer. There were answers, but when I looked into it, the real reason was always something else, like drilling wells and depleting the ground water and so on. Non climate change human actions still do enormously more environmental damage than climate change.
Of course if you can claim "it was climate change", especially as a third world country, you are eligible for receiving a lot of monetary compensation. So most articles and claims attach it as a footnote, "also because of climate change".
All he did so far was provide some data points. The "real" scientists should be able to explain them easily.
Btw, since I was just talking about her elsewhere, would you say Greta Thunberg qualifies as a scientist?
Even now there are various scenarios, not a single consensus. And I rather doubt that you personally have verified the climate science, so what makes you so sure?
Btw it is not about humans influencing climate (of course they do), but about the doomsday scenarios.
"Reproducibility and peer review are part and parcel of science and it is always done by other people than the ones involved in the original research."
Peer review is not a a guarantee for good science, it was invented for the government grant system. Sorry if people call on the peer review system, to me it just shows they are delusional about the workings of the science systems in most places.
"But to you 'other people' may include people that have not studied the subject matter and that are not capable of following the arguments"
Everybody can study the subject matter, that is the thing. It is you who claims only certain people of your choosing are capable of doing so.
"And I'll throw my lot in with the 99.9%, not because it makes my life any easier but simply because that makes good sense."
Do you even know what the 99.9% say? You can check how that number was derived - it was people evaluating abstracts and judging whether those papers agree that humans affect climate. It doesn't say everybody agrees on the doomsday scenarios.
Have you ever even looked at the IPCC report?
But doesn't this very sentence from you imply that there is no such consensus as you claim? Apparently there are lots of publications that disagree, so where do you get your consensus from?
" the composition of the field is always changing to some degree and (2) you will never get all scientists to tell you their opinion at the same point in time"
That is why I don't care about a "consensus" - science is not a democracy. I care about verifiable facts, and open discussion.
"So I'm pretty convinced that your argument of a pure, "individually verifiable" science is desirable, but has never existed and never will."
I am not saying that science should output 100% true facts only. Everything only has probabilities. I am saying that scientific output should be verifiable by other people. Scientific facts are not determined in a democratic way, they already exist and are only being discovered.
"Also, the IPCC put out a like 1000 page report, it's not like this information is being hidden."
Yeah that is actually more fishy than convincing. They should be able to present it in a digestible manner. A 1000 page report is just spam, created with billions of funding. It is also not all hard science afaik, it is a lot of bla bla "this and that will become an issue because of climate change", difficult to find the meat.
Shellenberger and Lomborg have presumable studied the issue for decades, so at what point does one cross into "being a scientist" territory? Years of study apparently doesn't do it, so what does? Obama's seal of approval?
You are confusing science and specific systems of doing science, like say a countries university system. A specific system of doing science does not automatically produce good science.
Sorry, but no.
A lot of people have an academic education, for example, and are capable of reading scientific papers. You have to be able to make a solid point that other people can verify. The last couple of years have already shown that institutions are also of little use.
Don't confuse science with scientific institutions.
My father used to be a doctor in a place that got converted into a pedestrians only area, he reported that a lot of people had issues. Business for other shops also declined.
I know it causes issues. Not saying it can't be solved, but it is naive to say that simply banning cars is always a net plus. Why did people living in the city even buy cars to begin with?
The point of Bitcoin is literally decentralization. Centralization is control and anti-freedom.
What do you mean by "exchanging money in good faith"? So being able to prove transactions are valid is a bad thing in your opinion?
You think it is a good thing that the FED can make the whole economy tumble by playing with their interest rates?