manuelmoreale

> You cannot trust the government to abide by the first amendment.

Again, this is a global issue. There is no first amendment here where I live. But the issue of the power these platforms have at a global level is a real one and something has to be done in general to deal with that. The problem is what should we do.

Happens quite often with Airbnb for example. You often don't meet the host in person so there's no way to show them a physical ID.

> So one knows the identity, one knows the usage But they are never related

I could be wrong but I think this is how the system we have in place in Italy works. And I agree that it's how it should work.

> If we need smart phones and apps to interact with public services, we should apply the same constitutional rights to those platforms.

Are private social media platforms "public services"? And also, you mentioned constitutional rights. Which constitution are we talking about here? These are global scale issues, I don't think we should default on the US constitution.

> We know we cannot trust service providers on the internet to take care of our identifying data.

Nobody needs to trust those. I can, right now, use my government issues ID to identify myself online using a platform that's run by the government itself. And if your rebuttal is that we can't trust the government either then yeah, I don't know what to say.

Because at some point, at a certain level, society is built on at least some level of implicit trust. Without it you can't have a functioning society.

> First, children also have a right to free speech.

Maybe I'm wrong (not reading all the regulations that are coming up) but the scope of these regulations is not to ban speech but rather to prevent people under a certain age to access a narrow subset of the websites that exist on the web. That to me looks like a significant difference.

As for your other two points, I can't really argue against those because they are obviously valid but also very hypothetical and so in that context sure, everything is possible I suppose.

That said something has to be done at some point because it's obvious that these platforms are having profound impact on society as a whole. And I don't care about the kids, I'm talking in general.

> It is a false equivalence

It's a false equivalence only if you decide to equate the two. My question wasn't worded that way. I'm curious to know if someone who oppose this type of laws is also for or against other laws that are dealing with similar issues in other contexts.

Also, as I said in another post, there are plenty of places, online, where you have to identify yourself. So this is already happening. But again, I'm personally interested in people's intuitions when it comes to this because I find it fascinating as a subject.

> It's weird how radicalized people get about banning books compared to banning the internet.

I don't think asking for age verification is the same as banning something. Which connection do you see between requiring age and free speech?

We have a similar system in Italy so the age verification process itself doesn't personally concerns me that much since the verification process is done by the government itself and they obviously already have my information.

I'm personally more interested in the intuition people have when it comes to squaring rejecting age verification online while also accepting it in a multitude of other situations (both online and offline)

I know they're not compatible. I'm asking if you're also ok with those. There are also plenty of situations where you are asked to provide an ID, digitally, when above a certain age. For example booking hotels and other accommodations.

Personally I'm still trying to figure out where my position is when it comes to this whole debate because both camps have obvious pros and cons.

Curious: are you ok with the other laws that are in place in the world to prevent underage people to engage with all sorts of activities? Like, for example, having to show an ID to being able to purchase alcohol?

I happily watch adless YouTube on an iPhone. There are definitely choices available. I agree on the awareness though.

> The problem is that there's a bunch of these what you can call "entry" csam that people with mental issues are drawn to and having this all around the internet is definitely not doing anyone a favor

I can make that same argument for people with other mental health issues and religious texts. Are we ok in making those also illegal?

> While this is definitely a crime

"Definitely a crime" based on what? "I strongly believe that these things" who gets to decide what "these things" are?

> "The reader is left with a description that creates the visual image in one's mind of an adult male engaging in sexual activity with a young child."

So, why are we stopping at CSAM then? If a book leaves the reader with a description that creates the image of a dog being tortured is that animal abuse? This is a completely insane line of reasoning.

There's a word for that mindset: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi

> Maybe I’m being naive, but there a few good ones (smaller and mid tier size) out there imo

Don't disagree. I think scale and ambitions play a huge role.

> Last time I checked Dario staked Anthropic’s future and reputation, on paid subscription.

Tech CEOs might be wealthy and powerful but there are two things they definitely don't have anymore: trust and the benefit of the doubt. Who knows, maybe Dario is gonna be the exception to the rule but I doubt it.

That doesn't scale in the world of capitalism. Because you need to increase revenues year after year and there are only so many people willing to pay. So you either keep increasing the price (and that has a limit) or you find other ways to monetize and the current meta seems to be pay + ads.

> Several of the biggest companies today are fueled by ads, and OpenAI has the perfect ad vehicle. What else were you expecting?

I'm old enough to remember when these people were claiming AI was as important and as revolutionary as fire and electricity. I don't know about you, but I pay for my electricity and the power companies don't have to run ads on my power lines in order to run their business.

I can imagine. Well, in that case I hope 2026 will bring you some human connection that does have a masters in physics.

Call me weird, I know absolutely nothing about what you just wrote but I'm super intrigued now and would love to know more, ah. But that's just because I'm generally curious about pretty much everything.

But I can see why it can be hard to find people to talk about that. Heck it might be hard to find people who even know about that topic in general.

That’s honestly just sad. Not the fact you doing it, but rather the fact you have nobody to talk to about those things.

> helped create the country and modern democracy

I’ll give you the creation of the country but modern democracy was not born in the USA. Your overall point is still valid though.

The French have a tool they used quite successfully during the revolution back in the late 1700s.

Jokes aside, unless we go through major societal reforms (that would likely involve a lot of chaos) I don’t see this problem being fixed anytime soon.

> it's a tradeoff in development speed

Doesn't this get thrown out the window now that everyone claims you can be 10x, 50x, 100x more productive with AI? Hell people were claiming you can ask a bunch of AI agents to build a browser from scratch, so surely the dev speed argument no longer applies.

The fact you asked the question and the answer is not instantly obvious shows how fucked and bizarre the current timeline is.

You clearly talk a lot but ask very few questions and make a lot of assumptions.

My only other option here is a FWA connection that is 1/10th the speed, it’s even more subjected to weather and costs me the same. That is it.

There is no DSL good for anything. Say what you want about the man (which I’m definitely not a fan of at this point) but Starlink is solving a real issue for many people.

I’m in Europe. Where I live 4g is spotty at best. My two options are Starlink that gives me a 350/50 connection or a legacy provider that has a FWA 30/5 at the same price.

That’s it, those are the two options. Difference in price between those two is 4€

I live in a place with no fiber and no 5G. Here’s your business case.

To be charitable, according to at least some reports, the Model Y was the best selling car of 2024.

I was googling the data for 2025 and it seems that it’s number 2 now (behind the RAV4 to my surprise) with the Corolla at 3.

No idea how accurate these are, finding global numbers was harder than I thought.