Is that a surprise? They're not who I would think of first as a gold standard for high viewership live streams.
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Is that a surprise? They're not who I would think of first as a gold standard for high viewership live streams.
Fwiw, I do not know of any data in my realm which have been molded, cherry picked, intentionally misrepresented, falsified, or otherwise fake or flawed. I don’t work with clinical trial data, so if that were happening, it wouldn’t be on my desk.
I'm not a clinician and don't deal with them regularly, but the impression I get is that new studies are published by researchers who have a lot of connections (dubbed thought leaders). They present at conferences. Other clinicians pick up the use case that matches their need (this patient has failed other therapies for this indication, let's try this new thing I'm now aware of). Then as experience grows, clinicians have more nuanced understanding of the use cases for that new information and its reliability. Frustratingly, this can take years, but that's bug that's also a feature.
There is already a mechanism for companies to submit questions to the FDA prior to clinical trial initiation. I'm not in these conversations, but I know the type of questions can be things like: would you accept this endpoint as a proxy for this indication, would you be satisfied with the effect size we expect, and are there other safety concerns you would expect us to evaluate other than those in our current plan. I assume EMA and other regulatory bodies have a similar process, but I'm not positive.
Disclaimer: I work in pharma, but pre-clinically. I am not involved in these clinical or regulatory issues.
What kind of manufacture do you think benefits from this outcome?
I recently looked at a disease course over time for several hundred genes. I only used 6 animals per time point, and both the disease mice and non-disease mice have very little inter-mouse variation at each time point for the vast majority of the genes.
One thing that has become common in some facilities is housing males and females in separate rooms. Female mice and rats get pretty stressed when you house them next to males, or when you handle males first and then females after. This is a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't situation, because either these rats were housed in different rooms, which could cause microbiome differences, or they were housed together, which could cause stress, which could cause microbiome differences.
I think overall, this study is reasonable, and the fact that it confirms previous studies bolsters the hypothesis, but I'm not sure how you actually tease these out without a mechanistic proposition.
Lastly, based on my experience, there's something a little odd about their weight data. We use weight as a loose proxy for wellness, so it's regularly measured. The body weight for both the males and females are about 30g higher than I'd expect for this age (8 woa). Most rats and mice are very consistent weight for a given age, and this is just a minor red flag, but it makes me wonder more about their husbandry.
Just my 2 cents.
So sure, we use modeling, and it's getting better, but it's not going to replace toxicology studies any time soon, unless every other human system is replicated in silico first.
Clinical trials are expensive. NHP (Non-human primate) studies are also expensive, but orders of magnitude less expensive than human studies. We pharma researchers don't want to put stuff into humans if there's risk of failure, especially if that failure is a tox finding and not just low efficacy.
So we de-risk as much as possible. We go so far as to prove everything on human cells, then buy mice with humanized portions of their genome to test the target in mice that are more like humans in the way we need them to be. Then we test in NHPs, because it's very unsafe to assume that a drug that works and is safe in cells is safe in primates.
In a current project, I'm dealing with the fallout of this exact problem. We did a ton of testing, modeling, in vitro work, rodent work, then we dosed in monkeys and it caused a massive tox signal. We have to go back to the drawing board and explain what happened to the monkeys, how we're going to address it, maybe kill the whole program, and find a new path forward. It passed all of the rigorous pre-monkey testing. And I'm at a major pharma company, where we have pretty specialized teams doing most of this work.
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It's a normal shift schedule, and they pay travel nurses much more than staff nurses to work the same shift schedule. These are typically 3 month contracts, but not always.
> I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Yes, it may be a full week of 12 hour shifts, but it's still a much higher pay. And if you get the next week off, it's a fantastic deal.
I don't disagree, but a lot of people do not want to work (or feel like they can't provide good care for) 12 hours every day for a week.