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hollowturtle··on It's not empowering to hand off the details
> From my experience when I added "discuss; don't edit any file yet" at the end of the prompt I've never seen the LLM go against my will and edit the files anyway.

depends how long conversation gets and he will still ignore your instructions randomically. I think shorter sessions are better, I do have a similar prompt saved on the memory of the agent and way more times that I can tolerate, he candidally ignores it

hollowturtle··on Kill The Cookie Banner
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hollowturtle··on It's not empowering to hand off the details
It doesn't handle anything, he reproduce statistical patterns. If it seems it cares about the details it's because he's been trained to regurgitate stuff. Another thing is being expert in something and being able to prompt the clanker, and those who are, usually underestimate how much their knowledge is steering the machine in the right direction
hollowturtle··on Kill The Cookie Banner
I always wondered though why a website in the eu, for the love of their users, won't just drop cookie usage and instrusive third party scripts. Just do analytics on the backend and don't set any cookie, except for tokens in authenticated areas
hollowturtle··on Stolen Buttons
> We are seeing more and more appliances coming out with less buttons and a mobile app to access advanced features. Also cars (annoyingly) are coming out with more physical controls replaced by touchscreen interfaces. It's not hard to imagine a world without physical buttons becoming a reality.

And thay is a regression and a mistake. Putting touch screens on cars was a big mistake, children will struggle to drive and turn on/off something as we do, you can't have reliable touch during vehicle movement. It's just stupid. I won't be surprised when regulators will requires some, not all, appliances to have hard buttons. Espacially cars. My car touch screen sometimes suffer a 1 second delay between touches, that's just bad product development, no children will adapt to that, only if braindead

hollowturtle··on Stolen Buttons
Wow I totally forgot how great 2 was, how did we regressed from that? The buttons are so satisfying
hollowturtle··on Stolen Buttons
Because you never saw a button in your life
hollowturtle··on If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?
And break ux for users often and piss them. There are short reversibile decision that can be taken fast, important decision requires a lot of thinking before changing to often and alienating your users
hollowturtle··on If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?
Totally agree. But we're in such minority that it's super depressing
hollowturtle··on If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?
These tools combined with silicon valley motto of moving fast and breaking stuff fast created the perfect storm

> They have raised upper management’s expectations for team output.

That is the worse part, it's not great at all dealing with this kind of expectations

hollowturtle··on Making
> I did use Claude to learn some basics, like the easiest way to get the data out of a Google Sheet

You can still use it like this, it's a super power, using it as a tool it's like wearing the iron man suite. Imo using it to 100% write the code it's like telling bumb ai iron man what to do

hollowturtle··on Control the Ideas, Not the Code
Unimpressive slot machine, it will betray you sooner than later and pay a real price
hollowturtle··on Control the Ideas, Not the Code
From another Italian fellow: stop following people and do your own thing, it will be worth it no matter what influencers says
hollowturtle··on Control the Ideas, Not the Code
You can have almost 100% tests coverage and green tests and still have a plane crash and LLMs shilling with you that everything is ok. To me it seems we havent learned yet tests coverage means nothing without solid code
hollowturtle··on Control the Ideas, Not the Code
Totally agree. But I have the feeling damage has already been done, like full oop back then. To be precise I don't think oop was a total mistake, rather being maximalists about it was a mistake like with AI. I am so pessimist that I believe sooner or later we will testify the first death because of ai unreviewed code. I hope I'll be wrong
hollowturtle··on Control the Ideas, Not the Code
Right don't do that then when you have a floating point problem or an integer overflow let's see if your ability as a mathematician helps or if you need to know the machine and the code
hollowturtle··on Control the Ideas, Not the Code
> In 2022 I published, before ChatGPT existed, a book preannouncing many things that now happened and other things that I believe will happen, so I feel like I can say this without sounding egocentric

Not egocentric but surely full of himself

> This is why yesterday, on X, I said that I believe many programmers at this point have less impact they could have because they look at the code. I truly believe into that.

I have great impact because I own the code and I read it when I generate it not the contrary

> How are you supposed to review 5k lines of code every day?

I have the feeling we will just lose the battle and start to randomly die inside crushing planes or sinking ships thanks to unreviewed code. Or lose money, or whatever you can think of many examples.

> The working day is 8 hours. If you read the code, it is a tradeoff. You are doing less of what today is the most important part of your job, that is, asking yourself: what I’m doing with this software? What are the new directions I want to take? And also, think at new ideas, features, optimizations tricks. And doing a lot of QA.

Guess what when we hand coded we did all these points every day, now we can't because we need to go 100x faster, understand nothing that came out from the slot machine and, cherry on top, we should focus on QA instead of pushing high quality code first.

I'm really worried by the direction the industry is taking and how dangerous these "influencers" are, especially in Italy where I see he has a big follow up.

We lied on a mountain of slop before LLMs sure but at least some systems were still reliable, today you can already see nothing is reliable not even the simplest service like Spotify, programmers are already not verifying the output.

hollowturtle··on Understanding the Odin programming language
It's GC
hollowturtle··on Show HN: Ant – A JavaScript runtime and ecosystem
Not specified what the hack hand prompted means anyways?
hollowturtle··on Show HN: Ant – A JavaScript runtime and ecosystem
> The engine, Ant Silver, is hand-built.
hollowturtle··on Write code like a human will maintain it
If it really is exponential intelligence should have already exploded. Go give away your certainties on a seer's forum
hollowturtle··on Write code like a human will maintain it
Counterpoint: as long as context don't rot or it's less effective that starts maintaining repetitions only slightly different. Also

> we are not going back to hand-writing these functions

do you really think there isn't a good chunk, if not the majority outside some bubbles, of developers that still hand code? Crazy to hear, I bet you're not a programmer

hollowturtle··on Write code like a human will maintain it
We still need to discuss this things for real? Aren't they already taken for granted after all this "experimenting" with LLMs? I'm wondering when we will discuss hand coding again without treating it like a taboo anymore. LLMs can be useful in so many ways it's tiring knowing people are delegating the entire source code typing to agents, to me it's like hearing from people that the web is good and we should be happy with it
hollowturtle··on Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
I purchased a new a hybrid car a year ago. It is impossible to deactivate permanently speed limit and lane alerts. They are useless, dumb and dangerous if you ask me. Detecting a 40km/h on the highway from a road sign on a near by road it's not safety. It's been a year of touching and correcting touches for disabling these two alerts, of course you have to do more clicks no way of accessing it from a quick menu or from quick actions on the steering wheel. The car works perfectly but this thing is so annoying to me that I'm seriously thinking of selling it. The touch screen is slooooow, when the internal temperature is higher is even more slooow for a ui that should be 1200fps for what it does even on a underpowered throttled by heat waves board chip. I either sell the car of take my time and find a way to hack that damn firmware. This is not the way to go, the way to go is autonomous driving not all this annoying BS
hollowturtle··on Road to Elm 1.0
> Yet Elm due to its simplicity does not need a lot of examples

But does the neural net ;)

hollowturtle··on Learning to code is still worthwhile
> On this "outer crust" people can tolerate things 99% accuracy, or bloated code

Sorry what people would tolerate? Go look around and ask people, friends and family. They all hate slow bloated software, it costs us dunno how much in time and productivity. With the advent of LLMs it only got worse not better

hollowturtle··on Learning to code is still worthwhile
The very fact we need to discuss that it's a sign that we lost and slop has won. Learning to code it's a journey that never ends, after almost 15+ years I feel like I still learn and that my code sucks, if I delegate everything to the slot machine I feel like I'm being retro actively turned into a junior, thanks but no thanks. I'll still use LLMs and Agents the best I can but coding is mine
hollowturtle··on Road to Elm 1.0
can keep failing til you're tired of having the agent running in loops, as I said it doesn't matter, agent tools are more effective with models trained with a lot of elm examples
hollowturtle··on Road to Elm 1.0
> I think LLM‘s might increase elm adoption because it is the ideal language for an LLM right now

Yes but no? It really just depends on the amount of elm in the training data and rlhf. I agree that structured frameworks/languages have codebases more similar to one another and that would ease generation. But that alone won't work and usually dev adoption is a total discourse per se

hollowturtle··on Qwen 3.6 27B is the sweet spot for local development
What the hell has to do with spinning up PoC and web productivity?
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