hansmayer

> People were upset about databases in the 1980s

Huh? In what universe did that happen?

Oh, they don't mean helpful to you. What they mean is, helpful to their revenue.

"guttoral" ? I'd learn to write first, before holding others lessons :)

It was exactly my opinion after thinking about this for a while. This is essentially Google making their search engine into yet another website. Sure, there is certain inertia - people used to using Google - but it will fade out with new generations. They've shot themselves in the foot, they just don't see it yet, and it will take some time for it to become obvious.

This is what social media and LLMs have done to the average member of the society - one has to explain to folks like you everything literally, because you're not able to infer anything on your own any more. Where do you think the wastewater goes eventually genius? Do you think Elon Musk transports it safely into outer space? Or does it have a chance of eventually polluting your own drinking water too? It does not even have to pollute the drinking water directly, as the stuff maybe filtered out by the processing plants, but it will land in the ground, pollute the plants, the food that you eat etc. Is that a bit clearer now? Or do you need more words ?

I guess you need to understand the deeper meaning implied by that comment. It's OK if you don't - unfortunately social media and now LLMs have strongly impacted the average Joe's or average Teddy's ability to understand something like this.

I mean if you are going to use AI which was trained on code of statistically mediocre average at the best, have outages and major incidents every few days, why not go wild and start publishing incidents to twitter too? It checks out with the rest of the stuff.

Actually it was shown a couple of times already, some of it also by Anthropic's own research, that the LLMs are extremely easy to poison with small datasets.

Finally an AI project with a sense of purpose!

TL;DR:

"Coding agents got really good - here, a bunch of non-releavant slop-pictures of pelicans riding bikes as a key benchmark AND a couple of hardly relevant edge-case demo-projects of mine to prove it right! "

Come on man, where is the AI writing all the code in 6 months? We're close to June and Amodei's latest statement from January does not look like going into fulfilling over the next weeks, does it now?

> where they need the world's best software engineers

For what, to write regex to check for number of "fucks" given in prompts, or to write 20k LoC files with 20 levels of nesting ? As we saw in that Claude code leak recently.

Not everyone is a "coder" you know, some of us are engineers.

No, answer my question - it's not that hard!

Indeed you did, but that does not make it right. They are not interchangeable. Now again, did you, or did you not promote Bitcoin?

> To quite Ilya Sutskever:

Who made Ilya Sutskever, or any other LLM-bonehead the Grand Prophet of Humanity? Why the fuck is his opinion on that relevant? Of course he will shill for data centers.

I dunno... but those self-quotes sound a lot like at least implying that "missing out on crypto" would be like missing out on early days of Internet. You also seem to try and retrofit "blockchain" instead of "crypto", but these are two different things - blockchain is a technology, crypto is a form of play-money based on that technology, just like it's older brother, the monopoly-money, is based on the technology of paper (but not much else).

Blockchain as a technology was something a lot of people were interested in. I am curious about Bitcoin - the monopoly money of the real world. The questions was simple: did you, or did you not, promote Bitcoin? Anyone who would promote a fake, un-regulated "currency" would not be someone whose opinion I care about.

Yeah, beyond this mumbo-jumbo non-answer of yours, did you or did you not push crypto? Because if you did...it could kind of not speak for your analytical competence.

The kids are alright ;)

? How TF is it not representative, if it provides interface to literally ALL the major models?? What are you talking about mate?

> shows you don't understand how Copilot's previous billing worked

Having used it for > 4 years and having paid for it for > 2.5 years, I think I know full well how it's previous billing worked.

> You could make one request which used tens of dollars worth of tokens, obviously not the intended usage pattern and obviously unsustainable.

Gee, thanks Mr. Obvious! It never occurred to me this was the reason Microsoft recently removed Opus 4.6 and added a 15x multiplier in front of the inferior, but less token-intensive Opus 4.7!

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> Tokens will get cheaper

> it costs OpenAI less money to serve GPT-5.5 than GPT-4

> Ppl don't understand how much efficiency gains are being made

I guess "ppl" also don't understand then, with all the supposed "efficiency gains" and "tokens getting cheaper" how come MS GH Copilot is switching everyone to token-based billing? Must be because those tokens are so damn cheap, innit?

Let me state it again in plain language: How much revenue did the project create and what economic or societal value in general does it create? Gamification bullshit "achievements", like StackOverflow badges and GitHub stars ARE NOT VALUE.

So, they talked the government of Malta into picking up the tab for ChatShit-Generator ?

What increase in ARR did he create? Let's stop bullshitting and get down to numbers.

Do not equate people with bullshit LLMs, please.

> I don’t use openclaw myself anymore

Firstly, who TF would use that crap in the first place at all? Yeah, he did some crap he got paid for. So did the people who created the addictive algorithms for social and media or creators of the brainrot videos that infest kids' minds. Should we applaud them too?

Peter shows shit. What did Peter meaningfully achieve? What additional revenue is he creating? ah yes - shit and more shit on all accounts as it seems.

> You seem to have an axe to grind

Unless you are vested in the highly unlikely commercial success of LLM companies, you should have one to grind too. I have been running my own business for quite some time, with quite some success. However if we lied to our customers the way the AI companies outright lie, if we just once promised with definitive authority to deliver something major within a specific timeframe - and then did not deliver - we'd have been out of business a long time ago. We'd also be out of business a long time ago if we had miniscule revenues compared to our expenses, i.e. if we we had a relation of expense to income of 20:1, like LLM vendors mostly do. So yes, I do have an axe to grind when it comes to liars and manipulators to which these classic rules of capitalism apparently do not apply any more, because something something "China"/AI race/bullshit .

> you're going to have a hard time arguing LLMs did not have a disruptive effect on the world

"Disruptive" as we commonly came to understand the word as popularised in the 2010s or so, means something with impact, perhaps removing an entire industry, but replacing it with something that has a positive end-effect for the end customers. Uber was disruptive to the taxi industry, but delivered some kind of improvement for the end-user (the ethics of on whose expense aside). But it's hard to argue it did deliver some kind of value. Or low-cost airlines, etc.

LLMs are nothing like that. For whom do they deliver a palpable improvement in value? Why the fuck does everyone who is pushing them always coming up with some bullshit creative explanations about the benefits, always very theoretical and never in the present. Give me one fucking sensible use case, beyond the typical office worker using it as a life boat to navigate their meaningless job by producing more powerpoint slides.