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That can still happen, maybe just not on a huge mailing list? :p
But to your point, I personally just confront the person who keeps interrupting me: - Hey, can you stop talking over me and let me finish my thought? - Dude, you're wrong, and talking over people won't make your argument better.
That being said, I'm sometimes the one interrupting when people keep babbling on and on, and the manager (or meeting lead) doesn't do their job. I try to do it politely by redirecting discussion to the point or summarizing the decision, but sometimes I need to force it and be a bit rude. I don't like doing that, but when you see people starting to roll their eyes or look at their phone, someone needs to step in.
Having a clear agenda with a meeting lead also help to keep the discussion on point while giving a chance to everyone to express their thoughts. If there are bullies, the meeting lead can shut them down.
When the manager or meeting lead is the one being a jerk, then it's obviously tricky. Depending on the culture, you can either politely redirect discussion to the point, summarize the decisions... or just don't attend the meeting. If asked why, can be honest and say you keep being interrupted and might as well work on something else if they don't want to hear your thoughts.
I wonder if ClojureScript -> [Node, Web-js] is how lisp will be saved? Or maybe lisp doesn't need to be saved and it'll always be this non-mainstream language. (To be clear: I say non-mainstream but I don't mean it negatively.)
Can clean lisp be written? For sure, and it's magnificent. But in practice, it's a total shit show. Basically, what I'm saying is when it's great, it's amazing, and when it sucks it's the worst.. whereas other languages like java/javascript/python have less variance in code quality and range from ["pretty-meh to "good-enough"].
And what's happening these days is the great features of lisp are integrated with "good-enough" languages, and then they become "pretty-good" languages.