fulvioterzapi

Good analysis!

But you should consider another quite radical hypothesis: people can freely have political opinion different from yours, and they are not being paid by some evil puppet-master!

I know, it’s not easy!

Interestingly, they also work for accessing RT and Sputnik from the EU that are banning them.

So, every Russian citizen is responsible of that? Are they also responsible of not having solved world hunger or of not having cured cancer yet?

This doesn’t answer my question: how is every Russian passport holder responsible for this conflict?

Responsibility is a very precisely defined concept: how are they all responsible?

I agree with the general point about double standards.

However, Europe is one of the least racist places in the world, and one of the places where millions of non-white people moved to and started a new life.

The tirade about a supposedly racist Europe is pretty ungenerous. Of course there are racist people in Europe here and there, but Europe as a whole is one of the least racist places in the whole world.

> Every Russian passport holding person is responsible for this conflict.

How, exactly?

The USA has a longer story of military aggressions, that killed far, far, far more people.

Do you think Amazon should stop doing business with the USA, or are you saying you do not believe the international community should hold the USA accountable for their murderous incomprehensible actions around the world?

Virtue signaling at its best.

By the same standards, Namecheap shouldn’t be doing business with customers in the USA, given the horrendous track record of aggressions started by the USA.

It's not a theory, it's a well established fact that you can easily find on Wikipedia:

"The permanent members were all allies in World War II (and the victors of that war)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_members_of_the_Unite...

Both websites still work for me.

Permanent members are not determined looking at who's bigger, or who has nukes.

Permanent members are the five biggest winners of WW2.

I don't like Putin, I condemn Russia's aggression to Ukraine, but this is essentially anti-Russian propaganda.

The international consensus is that Russia is the legitimate successor of the Soviet Union.

> we should probably remove a couple of countries from the UN

The United Nations is essentially a diplomatic forum. Once you remove Russia and the United States as non-peaceful countries, any feeble hope of a diplomatic solution is completely gone.

There's little to lose, but nothing to gain.

It might. However, since there's no record of AI solving big, open conjectures such as the Riemann Hypothesis, I find this quite unlikely.

I had a legit mail end up in spam last month, and one just today.

Never happened before.

> I hear what you're saying, but bait is the best way to catch fish. If you want to go fishing for racists, it's best to use race bait.

The point is that it's not exactly news that at right wing rallies you can find racists. It's not exactly award winning journalism in my opinion.

As an Italian, I have to point out that Fanpage is mainly Buzzfeed-level trash. I am surprised The Guardian is holding Fanpage in such high esteem.

I am not a leftist but I do appreciate good reporting from the whole political spectrum, including often the Guardian. Still, I wouldn't touch the steaming pile of BS that Fanpage is with a ten-foot pole!

> so these right-wingers were left with egg on their faces

You could say the same of the left-wing, that promoted for weeks a reckless attitude, pushing the message that we just needed to do business as usual, and to "overcome the fear".

The secretary of the most prominent left-wing party, Zingaretti is now infected. About two weeks ago was posting picture of him drinking at a bar with other people. On top of the picture he wrote: "Our slogan is: normality. [...] Our economy is stronger than fear: let's go out and drink an aperitif, a coffee or have a pizza".

While I wish him a speedy recovery, it's undeniable the left wing downplayed the risks.

You didn't merely ask for a source.

You asked for a source accusing me that I was spreading fake news because of some right-wing.

Anyway, I gave you a few pointers, look them up and you'll find everything you need. I am not spending more time for someone that immediately assumes my bad faith.

Again, you are questioning what other people are saying based on your hunch.

Feel free to ask for sources, but this whole smug tone "you're wrong because I got a hunch you are" is not really productive.

The Titanic was the first transatlantic ship to "fucking react" to an iceberg.

Is this a point of pride?

> I wasn't able to find anything, but admittedly my Italian is not great.

> I find it hard to believe, and given Italy's recent problems with the far-right surge, it seems to be more fake news.

So you don't speak enough Italian to verify, but still you got a hunch. And since we're at it, let's accuse whoever says things I don't like of spreading fake news.

What a constructive attitude!

Besides not speaking Italian well enough, you are not even well informed about Italian politics, because everyone even just skimming through headlines would know that a few weeks ago the President of the Italian Republic visited a primary school with mainly Chinese pupils as a symbolic gesture against discrimination and racism.

There was also a long article about racism and Coronavirus on Internazionale, but you could easily find tens of sources.

Get your facts straights (or just ask) before accusing people of spreading fake news.

> they were right in denouncing racism against Chinese people living in Italy.

In my opinion there was no actual racism, just common sense measures. That work against any strain.

> I am not sure how you can say the government's response is worse than other countries

I am thinking of our prime minister, for instance. Two weeks ago he was on TV 16 times in a single day, to denounce the emergency. Then we went into the 'business as usual' phase, and the situation slipped out of hand. Today he was quoting Churchill, and I had the impression that it was more to inflate his ego, rather than to do something useful for the country.

All in all I see a very amateurish management of the crisis.

> furioterzapi

That's a debated point, on live versions of the song you can clearly hear "Fulvio". On the booklet they write "Furio".

The government is calling to unity, and the situation is tragic enough that no-one can ignore the call.

However the left wing (and the current ruling coalition) has some serious responsibilities here, and I hope they are held accountable once this mess is over. A few weeks ago we were told that 'the only virus there is, is racism', implying that people worried about the virus spreading were doing so because of an anti-Chinese sentiment. The other popular talking point was that there are more flu deaths every year, so one shouldn't worry.

I see a link between this attitude and the current disaster.

The situation is bad, though. I was particularly shocked by an ICU medic from Lombardia declaring that in his hospital they cannot treat all the patients, and that they have to select those that appear to have the highest survival chances, something you do in times of war.

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