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ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
No. Their owners and employees might be.
ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
> In the era of virtual servers, cloud infrastructure, CDNs, etc., ASNs and IP blocks are not necessarily that helpful.

The above statement makes no sense at all. The whole Internet is built on connections between autonomous systems and all traffic is IP based. There is nothing but ASNs and IPs and information about them and the flows between them is extremely helpful in operating an ISP.

ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
With regards to broadband, this is already a solved problem: build open access networks.

It is a very straightforward way for municipalities to incentivize and create competition.

As to other infrastructure projects, there are ways of calculating the public benefit to determine whether the project has positive ROI, even if no direct payments are made by the public.

ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
That is interesting. Is there anything you can share about the financials?

I’d be making mad cash if I had a municipalwide fiber network at my disposal.

If there is no muni network to be, I hope you are at least leasing dark fiber and other assets to ISPs.

ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
You might want to look into Citizens United vs FEC.
ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
Surely you must be joking?

The government entity that makes all the laws and decides how the money is spent, can’t allocate funds for their core purpose?

Individual lawmakers may not want to, but they can if they wish to.

There are already government departments that can be used and believe it or not, there are actually people who can write public tenders without undue favoritism.

A single lawmaker should obviously not have an unlimited budget, but the legislature as a whole should have access to sufficient funds to make laws fit for purpose.

ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
Yes, legal persons.
ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
> as their community pleases

Did you miss that part?

ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
You calling your congressman is a wee bit different than a using multiple millions of dark money to influence legislators.
ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
> My understanding is that places like ours are the best case scenario with municipal broadband: most likely to see uptake (the lifeblood of these schemes), universal adoption of broadband, enough density to make last mile delivery feasible.

The best case scenario requires that the municipality is also underserved.

> But without significant scale and guaranteed uptake --- hard when you're competing with two household name ISPs --- the fixed costs of just running an ISP (or the backend infrastructure for a white-label ISP to build on top of) are prohibitive.

This is incorrect. Running an ISP is very cheap and the fixed costs are minor. It’s the building of a network that is expensive.

Source: I personally run an ISP and have built multiple networks.

ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
Are you suggesting that lawmakers who control the whole budget, legislative taxes and have entire government departments at their disposal are short on money?
ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
Your doctor or mechanic is not trying to lobby or otherwise influence lawmakers directly.

Obviously interested parties as well as the general public should be allowed input to the legislative process. However, input should not be solely or even primarily be sought from moneyed interests. The legislature has entire government departments at their disposal and should if need be commission their own research.

ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
If your wealthy urban area’s needs are already being met, then obviously it makes little economical sense to overbuild.
ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
A simple solution would be to allow only private persons to remain anonymous. This could further be limited to donors under $X or % of total donations.
ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
1. You are not a lawmaker.

2. Seeking out expertise is a paragon of making wise choices. Seeking out moneyed interests is not.

ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
There are entire government departments dedicated to statistics, research and analysis. How about lawmakers avail themselves to these services, instead of relying on moneyed interests?
ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
Don’t be silly, I never said anything about rolling back any laws. Please don’t try to put words into my mouth.

Digressions aside, what value is there in allowing an uninformed person to make impactful decisions on complex matters?

ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
A single fiber has enough bandwidth for complete nations; you aren’t going to run out of bandwidth anytime soon.

How you share bandwidth between parties depends on the setup. More often than not the end user only has one service provider at a time, thus there is neither any sharing or contention.

ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
Perhaps politicians who do not understand a thing should not be allowed to make decisions about it?
ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
Lawmakers being generalists does not preclude them commissioning their own research.

Just being briefed on an issue from both sides isn’t sufficient, they could both be wrong.

ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
… or the lawmakers could (gasp!) do their damn jobs themselves and do their own research instead of relying on moneyed interests.
ftth_finland··on “Dark money” groups help private ISPs lobby against municipal broadband
If you really are concerned about this then you should be advocating for open access networks, i.e. separation of physical assets and service provisioning.

The municipality owns all the hard assets, such as ducts, pits, poles and fiber optic cables. Private service providers then sell Internet access and other services that on top of that.

The municipality cannot leak or hand over information it does not have.

Open access is a tried and true concept, easy to implement. However, you should also be working on better local governance, since that is the root cause.

ftth_finland··on Swipos-GIS/GEO, nationwide GNSS RTK correction for centimeter accurate location
Finland has a free nationwide RTK network. It’s nominally only for testing and R&D use, tho, and you have to renew your account every three months.

https://www.maanmittauslaitos.fi/en/finpos/rtk

However, you can easily setup your own RTK base station for a few hundred bucks. Very convenient to use the free service to determine the static coordinates of your base station.

ftth_finland··on Internet providers have left rural Americans behind. One county is fighting back
It’s not the cost per passing that matters, it’s the average cost per passing that matters.

Most consumers can’t or won’t pay the outlay up front, but that’s why you use financing.

ftth_finland··on United Arab Emirates is using cloud seeding tech to make it rain
So don’t do water intensive farming in Nevada?
ftth_finland··on Internet providers have left rural Americans behind. One county is fighting back
Yes, the 2G backhaul is underdimensioned. However, that's an easy fix with a 10G upgrade. Just need to swap the optics.
ftth_finland··on Internet providers have left rural Americans behind. One county is fighting back
It's not just the capex, but the opex also. Forklift upgrades aren't free. Furthermore new wireless kit like Tarana is expensive.
ftth_finland··on Internet providers have left rural Americans behind. One county is fighting back
3 Mbps/household is enough for evening streaming, statistical multiplexing kicks in as the number of subscribers grow. It's a bit naff, but not overly so.

Averaging 3 Mbps of usage does not mean the gigabit connection drops down to 0.5% nightly. The key here is for the ISP to have enough excess backhaul to account for the occasional burst above the 3 Mbps average. As long as there is sufficient headroom, nobody will notice the oversubscription.

ftth_finland··on Internet providers have left rural Americans behind. One county is fighting back
> Neighborhood congestion is the bane of every ISP

Not really, congestion is only an issue for poorly designed or poorly run ISPs.

ftth_finland··on Internet providers have left rural Americans behind. One county is fighting back
Starlink costs $15k over 10 years and at the end of that you have nothing to show for the outlay.

Fiber costs far less than $15k on average and it is as good as new after 10 years.

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