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fractionalhare··on “WSB veterans know that they're making a suicide charge for the memes”
> some say they are, some say they aren't. Is this in fact true?

The ones which said they are out are out. There isn't actually any evidence that they stayed in. There is a lot of frenetic speculation on reddit that they're still in, which is mostly the result of redditors cargo culting bad "game theory" to support their own priors that hedge funds will always lie no matter what. I have written many comments about this in the past couple of days; suffice it to say that these conspiracy theories are based in basic trading illiteracy and misunderstood jargon, mixed with a heavy dose of emotional investment.

On the other hand, there is good evidence they actually closed out when they said they did: the hedge funds getting burned when GME was at $50 and $100 simply wouldn't exist anymore when GME hit $300, $400 or $500. They would have been margin called and it would have been game over.

And finally - yes, some funds are short GME right now. But that's not because they were short at $4.5, it's because the current price is dissociated from reality and all the smart money wants to short the peak.

fractionalhare··on Counterfeiting Stock – Explaining illegal naked shorting and stock manipulation
Yes, it's an official designation by the SEC with accompanying regulations. To become a market maker you have to specifically register as such with the exchanges you'd like to service.
fractionalhare··on It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged
Lehman was a bank, not a hedge fund.
fractionalhare··on Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught
Yes they have a relationship, it's known that Point72 has been an investor. That doesn't imply ownership or even majority stake. It's very common for funds to invest in other funds, just like it's common for large tech companies to have business development and VC arms.
fractionalhare··on Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught
There is also no evidence they singlehandedly shorted over 100% of GME stock. All of these claims and rumors unravel when you demand evidence. They might make sense if you assume their circular dependencies, but it's a house of cards.
fractionalhare··on Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught
It's included in the WSJ article about the Point72 and Citadel investment.
fractionalhare··on Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught
Melvin does not presently have a parent hedge fund, and it never has. It received investments from two other hedge funds, but those were for non-controlling revenue share.
fractionalhare··on Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught
Those are net of fees. They averaged over 30% annually over 5 years, net of fees. Investors with them since the beginning received a cumulative total return of nearly 400%. That puts you far ahead of SPY over the same time period.

And of course, the risk profile may be different. Equal returns can be more or less appealing depending on the risk profile.

fractionalhare··on Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught
I think you might be underestimating the complexity involved in doing anything with equities at $10B.

I also wouldn't classify this as high risk. This risk is arguably novel. Short squeezes have happened before, sure, but not with the same sort of trigger. This is probably a new risk signal for the 30 or so funds which were blown out that haven't been as well publicized.

fractionalhare··on Naked shorting: The curious incident of the shares that didn't exist (2005)
It's not really about presentation of balance sheets, it's about liquidity. The explicit purpose of market makers is to provide liquidity, so they have a special exemption to buy and sell shares without being certain they exist. They have to have a good faith belief they will exist though. Usually they're right. Occasionally they're wrong.
fractionalhare··on Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught
That is not what naked means. Naked short sales are short sales without an executed or agreed upon borrow between the borrower and broker. You are referring to short interest higher than 100% of the float (total shares in circulation), which is mundane because it happens organically when a lot of people want to short the same thing and start borrowing shares which were already sold short.

It seems entirely unsurprising to me that a brick and mortar retailer selling digital goods in the middle of a pandemic would be a hot short target for many different funds, thereby organically pushing short interest over 100%.

fractionalhare··on Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught
This is why we have the term, "capacity constraints." Melvin accomplished those returns in a year where they would have started off with $10B or close to it. The retail investors you know did it on what, $100k? $1M?

The liquidity available to retail investors is completely different from the liquidity available to firms with an 11 digit book. Assuming those retail investors actually have a working strategy, they can basically invest in anything.

If they find alpha in trading some overlooked company worth $100M total, they can deploy all their capital and make an outsized return. If a multibillion dollar hedge fund finds alpha in a $100M company, they can make a great return of 50% on let's say...0.1% of their capital, assuming they can buy 10% of that company without meaningfully moving the price against them.

So you have an 11 digit book, and you have to get an outsized return. You either find tons and tons of these little tiny companies you can buy single digit percentages of, or you win on big bets from a blue chips that can absorb your liquidity. Or some mix in between. Or you expand to foreign assets, or another class of asset that can handle the weight you're moving around. But you are fundamentally limited, and whatever you do has a different profile of risk attached to it. You are also bound by the risk thesis of your firm and what your investors' goals are.

That's not to say all hedge funds outperform retail. A lot of them plainly suck and fail to accomplish their mandate. But this is too uncharitable a take; the liquidity and risk characteristics are completely different. It's incomparable.

fractionalhare··on Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught
The more compelling reason to believe they didn't lie about it is because we haven't heard they went bankrupt yet. We probably would have heard that it happened by now, and they certainly would have been bankrupt if they didn't get out of GME in the $100s.
fractionalhare··on Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught
> It should be noted that Melvin Capital returned over 50% in 2020[1], 44% in 2019[2], and has averaged above 30% annual returns since inception[3].

And those returns are all net of fees.

fractionalhare··on Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught
The arguments that Melvin lied about closing their position are as follows:

1. Short interest on GME is still high, even after they claimed to have closed their short position.

2. They have a "huge incentive" to lie about this, because people believe it would encourage a selloff.

That is the entirety of the evidence. It is uncritical despite the fact that it gets frenetically repeated on reddit. Here is the evidence which suggests they didn't lie:

1. That first argument doesn't prove what people believe it does. First, short interest is only officially reported twice monthly, and most cited data is out of date or estimated. More importantly, short interest is an aggregate measure which does not track specific positions. It only tracks all positions together. Other firms which haven't been burned by the price increase have opened new positions, hoping to short from the top tick (or thereabouts).

2. The second argument is reddit cargo culting "game theory", and it violates both logic and Occam's Razor. If you're a fund manager who lies to the public about closing a highly volatile position that could bankrupt you, you are facing securities fraud and violation of fiduciary duty, respectively. Either of those will pierce the veil of your firm and leave your personal assets liable for reclamation by the SEC and/or angry investors. You will be sued. You will lose.

Moreover, the "incentive" of this move is that you might prompt a selloff and get to keep your short position. It strains credulity to think someone would make such an uncertain bet with a huge psychological component when their firm is literally on the line. If you're wrong, your firm is dead and all of your personal assets are up for seizure in the ensuing fallout for the aforementioned reasons.

The alternative is that you just close the position, don't lie about it, and your firm survives and you just have a bad year. You are personally unscathed as the fund manager. And since you've had historically excellent returns and this was a 3 or 4 sigma event, long term you'll probably be fine. You'll have a new signal to incorporate into your portfolio risk management and you'll move on.

fractionalhare··on Naked shorting: The curious incident of the shares that didn't exist (2005)
Sure, but I'm not trying to be reassuring. I'm trying to encourage healthy skepticism of random claims on the internet.
fractionalhare··on Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught
This is extremely unlikely. I'm saying they wouldn't have survived to see $300. You think they managed to live long enough to short at the top tick without being margin called and having their prime broker pull the plug on them?

The doubt around this situation is uncritical. This is a firm motivated by money. If you're seriously interested in making money, you don't lie to the public about closing your positions (boom, securities fraud) and stay in it when the volatility of the thing has destroyed your thesis (boom, breaking fiduciary duty). You get out to trade another day.

fractionalhare··on Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught
With respect, you haven't thought this through. Given there is "so much riding on this", why do you think a hedge fund would concoct a nefarious, extremely uncertain scheme to get people to think they closed instead of actually closing?

You agree they're motivated by money, right? They would have lost literally all their money, even with the additional investment, if they were still in when GME soared to $400. They would also be aware of that fact.

fractionalhare··on Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught
What's not useless information is that they simply didn't have the AUM to survive GME going from $100 to $300. They either got out when they said they did, or they're gone.
fractionalhare··on Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught
> My theory is that they are not only doubling down but quadrupling down everytime the stock shoots up.

They would not have survived Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday if they doubled down once instead of closing out, let alone if they did it on every significant increase. Even if you cite the investment from Point72 and Citadel: that's a fraction of what they'd have needed to survive the stock going from $100 to $300+.

fractionalhare··on Hedge fund Melvin sustains 53% loss after Reddit onslaught
> Considering this is a hedge fund, I just assume they're lying because, you know, it's a fucking hedge fund.

If this is your prior for approaching evidence, you're always going to catch big finance lying. But not because you're actually calibrated on evidence. And you won't be able to distinguish between actual fraud and baseless conspiracy.

fractionalhare··on Naked shorting: The curious incident of the shares that didn't exist (2005)
It sounds devious when you put it like that, but yes. Most things in finance are compositions of credits and debits that take time to settle. The aim is to have sufficient liquidity and price accuracy that the time between executing and settling is safe, but there's always risk that things go awry before the settlement.
fractionalhare··on Naked shorting: The curious incident of the shares that didn't exist (2005)
Not necessarily. As long as the borrower commits to borrow the stock at a determined point in the future which the broker legitimately deems should have borrow liquidity (availability of shares to borrow), the short sale is not naked.

And interestingly enough, if this transaction occurs in good faith and for unforeseen reasons there is no borrow liquidity at the agreed upon time, a fail to deliver will occur despite the short sale not being naked.

fractionalhare··on Naked shorting: The curious incident of the shares that didn't exist (2005)
You should cite the posts and resources you've mentioned, because there are a variety of caveats that approximately all the posts on WSB misinterpret. People will fly by a comment like this and just repeat it without any fact checking.

The very page you describe specifically states that you can't infer when failures to deliver occurred because the data is reported in aggregate with no age statistics. [1]

Moreover failures to deliver can occur on both the long and short side, and do not necessarily represent that a naked short sale occurred. [2] And when they are associated with a naked short sale, it may still be legitimate. Market makers are legally allowed to engage in naked short sales to facilitate liquidity, and if they can't fulfill the borrow in time (which would itself happen for legitimate reasons), that failure to deliver would also be reported.

Finally - reporting an increase in apparent naked sales to the SEC by gesturing towards data on the SEC website doesn't make sense. The SEC is definitionally aware of it. There may not be an active investigation, but these kinds of datapulls are pretty manual and staffed by people familiar with the data.

1. https://www.sec.gov/data/foiadocsfailsdatahtm

2. https://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/regsho.htm

fractionalhare··on Naked shorting: The curious incident of the shares that didn't exist (2005)
I don't know the outcome of their investigation on this specific incident, and I can't (quickly) find it. But I know the SEC made a few changes in the mid - late 2000s as a result of naked short selling rising to mainstream awareness: https://www.sec.gov/news/press/2009/2009-172.htm. It became a pretty big point of discussion for regulating Wall Street which was amplified in the fallout of the 2008 financial crisis.

As far as outcomes go, there is this testimony from the SEC chair circa 2010: http://fcic-static.law.stanford.edu/cdn_media/fcic-docs/2010...

> In July 2009, the Commission adopted a rule which requires that “fails to deliver” in all equity securities be promptly closed out. “Fails to deliver” may, among other things, be indicative of potentially abusive “naked” short selling. “Naked” short selling, which is not per se illegal, occurs when a short seller does not borrow securities in time to make delivery. Sellers may intentionally fail to deliver as part of a scheme to manipulate the price of a security or possibly to avoid borrowing costs. Data indicates that since the fall of 2008, fails to deliver in all equity securities have declined by 63.4 percent, and fails to deliver in securities with persistent and large levels of fails to deliver have declined by 80.5 percent.

fractionalhare··on Naked shorting: The curious incident of the shares that didn't exist (2005)
It was noticed. The SEC even had data supporting Global Links' claims. This incident is almost 16 years old and was later investigated by the SEC.
fractionalhare··on Naked shorting: The curious incident of the shares that didn't exist (2005)
Should have a [2005] in the title. This is probably showing up on HN because naked short selling is topical, but the information in the article might be misleading if it's out of date.
fractionalhare··on Analysis: Robinhood protected from lawsuits by user agreement, Congress
Do you actually know of a specific firm that kept its short position open through to Thursday? They would have had to survive through Tuesday and Wednesday, which seems unlikely if they were one of the original sub-$10 shorts.
fractionalhare··on u/DeepFuckingValue and the GameStop Reddit mania
Right. At the same time, there would be a net loss of value because any shorts who were margin called on GME's meteoric rise will have blown up. Their investors will have lost (possibly all their) money at the same time retail investors found their asks unfulfilled at $330 because the bids crash landed at $33.

In this scenario both the short funds and the retail investors are fucked. A select few retail investors and some of the momentum-trading quants do well. But the majority of the money on either side just evaporates - rapidly.

In a more distant but plausible scenario, this hits a bunch of funds across a bunch of tickers, and it goes systemic. They liquidate their longs trying to survive, and when it's not enough it rolls up into their brokers who are left holding the bag.

fractionalhare··on u/DeepFuckingValue and the GameStop Reddit mania
Well sure, I'd definitely rather short Gamestop and watch my short thesis get delegitimized in real time than literally run from a hungry tiger.
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