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eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
Yes, ultimately this is a deep philosophical question. I know most people think it's foolhardy to traverse such waters in a "business book" but I don't mind. If you pay careful attention to the structure of this one, you'll see it's not really a business book at all, at least not in the way the form is normally understood.
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
Yes, I think the causes and symptoms are the same across sectors.
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
Staying small is definitely one way to increase your "span of control" over what happens. But honestly, size is not as much up to you as you think. If you hit product/market fit, you often will be forced to scale up whether you really want to or not. Better to have a structure that can handle it.
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
I see a "book a call" button in the lower-right, at least on chrome/macos. Apologies if it's not working on other platforms. TBH, the team has been so overwhelmed with word-of-mouth leads, they probably have neglected the website-entry pathway. We are working hard to scale up so that they can accommodate more demand and then will probably also have time to get a working website :)
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
I know they are going through a big restructuring and I think these issues are part of why, but I am not close enough to the details to comment.
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
thank you!

Healthcare is a recurring topic in the book, for the reasons you specify. In fact, I call for the adoption of a Director's Oath similar to the Hippocratic Oath for boards. They can do just as much - or even more - harm.

eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
nope, it's a coincidence
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
yes, certainly. There's a section in the bonus content of the book about Answer.AI and how we have attempted to use LLMs to create a company of "management without managers" and how it's going.
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
I never said they were perfect! Only that they have maintained their autonomy for 40 years.
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
Absolutely. 100% true. But on the other hand, the tools have gotten a lot better, so it's much easier to build a high-quality MVP than it was back then. But in any era, the most important thing to remember is that quality is defined by the customer. Meaning, if you don't know who the customer is, you literally don't know what quality means. So don't fall into the trap of assuming you know what would fly or would not fly with customers today. Test. Experiment. Learn.
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
Ah! Your point about Claude Code is very funny. At a minimum, you can find links to many of the interviews I've done. If it comes across as too promotional, you can always use the "official" website incorruptible.co which is more staid.

Your skepticism is well earned, and all I can really say is that I hope you'll read the book and judge for yourself. I tried really hard to lay out the evidence for two things that are necessary to address this skepticism:

1. We have to see that these structures are changeable. The economy that our grandparents inhabited is almost unrecognizably different than the one we inhabit today. So too, we can imagine that the economy that our grandchildren will work in may be unrecognizably different to us. Why does that necessarily have to be in a negative direction? What was once changed by human hands can be changed again.

2. I know this is hard to believe, but there's actually a lot of evidence that mission-driven, purpose-driven, trustworthy organizations outperform their conventional counterparts. The fact that this is so gives us a lot of tools we can use to drive the change we want to see.

On top of all that, we are living through a massive generational shift. The new generations have lived their whole lives under this maligned structure, and they are sick and tired of it. If you think they are going to sit quietly by and allow those structures to persist, I think that is very unlikely. Which means we're going to have change one way or the other; the only question is how violent and difficult is that revolution going to be? We'd be much better served to change proactively because we know what the right thing is.

eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
I'm not sure I would group all those companies in with each other, and if you read the book, you'll see that I attempted to make at least one important distinction among them.

And it's interesting that people see Lean Startup as short-term; that's really not what's in the book. I tried really hard to make clear that you need a foundation of long-term thinking in order to make any kind of rapid iteration system, whether that's Lean Startup or Lean manufacturing, work. By the way, this is an old finding that shows up in a lot of the management literature going back to the people who originally studied the Toyota Production System.

But all that said, I'm really glad that you feel LTSE embodies a long-term optimistic view of the future. That was absolutely my goal in starting it.

eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
Yeah, I did my best in the book to find that balance between tech and non-tech stories. You'll find a few tech stories in there, for example Anthropic, GitLab and Cloudflare. And if you want all the horror stories, you can read Cory Doctorow.

I wanted to have a wide variety of stories in the book from many different industries to show just how pervasive these forces are that we're doing battle against. While there are some things that are unique to the tech industry, I think we have more in common than what sets us apart.

FWIW, I wish people would talk about the "startup movement" rather than the "tech industry" for what we do. But maybe that ship has sailed.

eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
Meanings are contested. The way I use the word is much closer to the way our grandparents used the word than our modern usage. How did it change? Could it change back? I think so.
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
My friend, I know you think this is a criticism. It's pretty obvious that you haven't read the book. I'd encourage you to do so, or at least ask yourself, "Why are you commenting on a book you haven't read?" The answer must be that you're upset about a different book or about a whole class of books that have done you wrong. That's fair. I know what you're talking about. But for what it's worth, I tried really hard to make this book different. If you check the end notes, you'll see that I drew on quite a lot of research to try and make a series of evidence-based claims.

And if you really want to live in a world where people should be listened to on the basis of how rich they are, well, you don't really need to change anything, now do you?

eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
I happen to think that organizations are literally alive. They are superorganisms. To be more scientifically accurate, they are examples of the class of beings which are "emergent intelligence."

I don't think there's any way to talk about this without running into the problem of anthropomorphization. So I tried to be really careful with it in the book. You'll have to judge for yourself if you think I got it right.

And I'm especially sensitive to the question of accountability because you're right: today we mostly want to see these problems as being done by individual villains, because at least we can hold individuals accountable. How well is that going? It seems like we are breeding a class of people that are completely above accountability. I don't think that's tenable. I think in the long run, this system will collapse if it cannot hold the people responsible for atrocities accountable.

Personally, I think the best way to do this is to understand the systems that are causing these behaviors today so that we can locate responsibility in the right place.

eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
There's a whole chapter on this. I actually hate the phrase "human resources," because of course part of the problem with our modern world is that we are treating human beings as a resource to be mined.

If people had paid more attention to the pioneering management theorist, Mary Parker Follett, who wrote more than a century ago, we wouldn't be in this mess. But of course, her work was almost entirely erased and forgotten, only rediscovered in the 1990s.

Don't worry, I have a whole chapter about this in the new book.

eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
I think you need the "always has been" meme.
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
I know you meant this comment as a criticism, but it actually raises a really interesting point of what we mean by "real success." I hope you will elaborate.
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
Thanks for asking. In fact, you can find all the evidence that it's a best seller on howisincorruptiblegoing.com

or you can look at this handy infographic: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/eries_incorruptible-new-york-...

eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
Unfortunately, that is not unique to VC but happens at every layer of the capital stack for reasons I explain, I hope you'll find convincingly in the book.

The sad fact is that most VCs are not even consciously aware that they're doing this. They are simply the agents of a deeper force.

eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
You can find my interview with R. Edward Freeman here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-stakeholder-podcas...
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
Boy, do I make my best effort in the book to take this idea out to the woodshed and show how this is a complete misunderstanding of what it means to be a for-profit entity. I hope you'll read the book and then come back and let me know if you think I was able to make a convincing case.
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
Of course, we won't know until you try.
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
I don't see any evidence that these tools or principles are especially limited.
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
I've heard there's this new one that just came out. It's really good.
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
Man, "universally misunderstood?" That's harsh.

I don't think you can put an idea out into the world without understanding that some people are going to willfully misunderstand it. We live now, especially in the age where literally ignorance is optional. When you see someone who misunderstands what an MVP is, you know that they haven't spent even five minutes reading the Wikipedia page or made any effort to try to understand it. I don't consider such people to be good faith interlocutors, and therefore I don't really think the fact that they criticize or don't understand the concept is that relevant to the rest of us who are capable of thinking for ourselves.

At the end of the day, I try to lay out in my first book the reasons why the theory that gives rise to MVP and the rest of the Lean Startup makes sense, is logical, and is consistent with a set of first principles. As a result, that theory is capable of making predictions which you can test for yourself.

Writing now for other founders who might encounter this page: If you look elsewhere in this thread, you will find lots and lots and lots of entrepreneurs who are saying how much they found these concepts helpful. You shouldn't do it because other people said so. Rather, you should take that as inspiration to think for yourself, try it, and see if the theory strikes you as valid.

eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
Learning has always been and still is the bottleneck. You can't outsource it to another country. You can't outsource it to a machine. At the end of the day, the bottleneck exists between the ears, and that process is slow and painful.
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
Uhhh, read a newspaper or look at the news. It's pretty dark, man.
eries··on I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA
Well, given that it was the company I founded, LTSE, that made the original petition at the SEC to try to move in this direction, you can guess. At the time, everyone said it was a fool's errand. Now that it seems likely to succeed, we've mostly been written out of the story.

However, the details matter a great deal, and I don't know that much about what the actual proposal the SEC is going to adopt is going to be. The last draft that I saw left me pretty worried.

What's interesting to me is that, in all the hubbub, neither the journalists nor the policymakers seem that interested in the actual evidence that we have amassed in academia on this question. For example, one important study suggested that moving from semi-annual to quarterly reporting costs companies something like 5% of their market cap. It's incredibly expensive, not because generating the reports is expensive, but rather the evidence seems to be that companies under quarterly reporting start to run the company for the benefit of the report rather than for customers.

That this is bad for investors, I hope you will see as self-evident.

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