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Not bad for 70 loc!

http://htmx.org + whatever backend you like best

They aren’t complacent. They are harassed, beaten and arrested if they object.

Absolutely disgusting what the government there is doing to our Australian brothers and sisters. And of course no media coverage to speak of in the states.

I predict we are entering (or have entered) a silver age of technology where progress will be slower and less breathtaking. Rather than radical innovation we will see slower and steady progress within existing technologies. Ideally the manic optimism (and pessimism) of the past will give way to a calmer, more humble optimism.

In web development in particular I hope this will lead to a reexamination of lost ideas, such as the hypermedia architecture. I think you are seeing that with things like Hotwire and htmx.

So I would look to ideas from the past, perhaps abandoned today, for things to inspire us.

Complexity sells.

People in tech are generally terrified of saying “this seems too complicated” because it sounds close to “I’m not smart.” Combine with the snow-job culture of tech sales and, well, you get what we’ve ended up with.

the way to deal with the immaturity of javascript is to build instead off mature technologies like hypermedia

Hotwire and htmx do this

cool now do obesity

please, federal reserve, make it stop, we’ve seen enough

People have lost trust in the media. Let’s trick them by having completely out of touch CEOs talk it up.

Perfection.

Fun story: back in 2009 at the jvm language summit, Thomas Wuerthinger demo’d full hotswap.

Method signature changes, class hierarchy, all of it.

He wasn’t a sun employee at the time and the sun folks kept telling him what he was doing was impossible. We ended up using his stuff, the dcevm, internally for a long time.

He was eventually hired by sun/oracle to work on other stuff and Java still doesn’t have proper hotswap.

That’s the tech world for you.

a relative suffered permanent disability due to the vax

she’s young

maybe you need to experience that to develop some humility

Underrated post.

None of that will make any difference. What will work is strong families and traditional morality.

That is unacceptable and therefore things will continue to get worse.

Easy: no form input no condition on the delete

aaand it’s gone

Near miss: my first job I was working on a CRUD app for a huge bank. I was dumb and it was early in the enterprise era of software and I had built my own simple O/R tool based on codegen. Not a terrible tool all things considered and I was pretty pleased with myself.

One night in bed I realized that if someone hit submit on the delete screen without filling in any criteria it would just delete the whole database.

Not a fun drive in.

Yes, we drove in in those days.

It’s luck and hard work usually. Sometimes folks get lucky. Sometimes hard work alone pays off. Usually you need both for big success.

False dichotomies are lazy.

Not directly console.log related, but you can use the console-only monitorEvents() method to log all the events triggered on an element:

https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2015/05/quickly-mo...

Very useful when you are wiring events together on the front end.

Surprised there isn’t a standard way to do this in the DOM.

That’s why I said application abstractions rather than system abstractions.

JSON isn’t a hypermedium so creating a uniform interface is hard.

I don’t have a strong opinion on alternatives. GraphQL seems ok for server to server stuff.

Yep.

Look at the REST/JSON API debacle that has unfolded over the last two decades. It is trivially obvious that REST is both difficult to implement and largely pointless outside of a hypermedia system, but the thought leaders never said a thing about it.

Putting a network connection between your application abstractions was always a dicey proposition. (See EJB 1.0)

Making it the entire basis for application abstraction is lunacy, the sort of extremely clever idiocy that can only occur in the tech world.

Sabermetrics has absolutely ruined baseball.

Many many people agree with both of you. Don’t feel alone.

Another company offering a proprietary silver bullet to the enterprise.

Condemning the stack is a novel entry point, I’ll admit.

Soon?

“Democracy is the theory that the people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard” -hL Mencken

The examples are pretty good:

https://htmx.org/examples/

Whatever backend tech you are most comfortable with and https://htmx.org, which is backend agnostic and has almost no learning curve and requires very little code.

Utilitarians utilitarianiazing utilitarianly.

It would be funny, if these folks didn’t wield so much power.