domenkozar

Do you have a particular in mind or does the general number bother you?

It's a very ambitious project, so a lot of issues are related to either Nix or general support for each language/service.

In devenv.sh:

  difftastic.enable = true;

Hey folks,

We've shipped a pretty big update this time, incorporating a lot of feedback and issues from the last year.

Here's a 5min demo: https://twitter.com/domenkozar/status/1770444437505929637

Domen

Better composability and abstraction, see for example how you can configure a process in https://devenv.sh/services/ that has first-class support for development environments using Nix.

No need to use containers too, which bring cognitive/workflow overhead.

That's a mouthful for 14 lines of native development that can generate a dev container using https://devenv.sh

$ cat devenv.nix

{ pkgs, ... }: {

  languages.c.enable = true;

  packages = [ pkgs.ceedling pkgs.cmake ];

  enterShell = ''
    cmake --version
  '';

  pre-commit.hooks = { 
    clang-format.enable = true;
    clang-tidy.enable = true;
  };

}

$ devenv shell

(Note that pkgs.ceedling has been recently added and will only hit the cache in 6-12h).

Note that warm waters is a typical strawman argument against nuclear power.

These are rare anomalies and there's dry-cooling of nuclear power plants (although it's less efficient and costs more).

A lot of these pitfalls and boilerplate, we've removed in https://devenv.sh :)

The best talk I know about this is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6goF1dM3ag

Do you still experience these UX issues and lack of documentation?

Hey! We've been working at Cachix to address this using https://devenv.sh/.

It's primary targeted to improve DX and on-board users quickly.

Hey folks,

Cachix founder here. Here are a few links for getting started:

- https://nix.dev Nix tutorials

- https://devenv.sh Fast, Declarative, Reproducible, and Composable Developer Environments

Let me know if you have any questions. Domen

If you decide to try https://devenv.sh, it has OCaml support built-in:

  $ cat devenv.nix
  { config, ...}: 
  let
    ocamlPackages = config.languages.ocaml.packages;
  in { 
    languages.ocaml.enable = true;

    packages = [ ocamlPackages.janeStreet.async ];
  }

  $ devenv shell
  ...

Recently also shipped 0.6 with container generation support: https://devenv.sh/containers/

Let me know if you give it a try :)

Have you tried https://devenv.sh?

Hey! Could you elaborate a bit more on what docs are missing?

https://devenv.sh/ covers most of these points as none of the complaints mentioned are design flaws, but they are just something we have yet to reach.

Could you paste the output somewhere?

Specifying language versions is planned.

Versions are locked using devenv.lock and everyone gets the same version.

Did you use the Cachix step?

That's something that still needs to be supported and I'll be working on it next week as part of the https://oceansprint.org

That's the goal of languages.python.enable knob you can turn on.

There are kind of three levels of language support in devenv:

1) Basic tooling + system dependencies, this allows you to use native language package manager and provide system deps to make sure they build.

2) Compiler/interpreter versioning: pick any version of the tooling as you need

3) Full automatic translation of the language tooling into a Nix expressions for the project. This allows you to get all the benefits of what Nix has to offer. This is the most work for each language but the benefits are enormous.

devenv.sh plans to achieve that step by step :)

I used to be a Gentoo user until about 2013: https://domenkozar.com/2013/07/20/9-years-of-linux-distribut...

You're welcome, that tutorial was written by https://github.com/fricklerhandwerk

I've been hacking on VSCode integration as of yesterday, follow https://github.com/cachix/devenv/issues/26 for updates :)

This shouldn't be more than a day of work.

It depends a lot from where you are coming from. It seems like you have prior Nix experience:

The main benefit is abstraction using modules: this allows you to extend, compose and abstract your environment. Processes and pre-commit hooks are only the beginning of what's possible.

There's also higher-level CLI interface for building images, sharing environments, etc.

Note that this is only scratching the design surface of what's possible.

Hi all, I'm the author of https://devenv.sh, https://cachix.org and https://nix.dev.

I've been part of the Nix community for more than 10 years and in the last 4 years focused on making it documented, simple and accessible for any developer.

After building Cachix (where you can store any software binaries with a few steps) we realized that there needs to be an intuitive interface for crafting developer environments.

I'm really looking forward what you build on top of devenv. We're only beginning to explore the area of what's possible, so please give as much feedback as you have.

Hi all, I'm the author of https://devenv.sh, https://cachix.org and https://nix.dev.

I've been part of the Nix community for years and in the last 4 years focused on making it documented, simple and accessible for any developer.

After building Cachix (where you can store any software binaries with a few steps) we realized that there needs to be an intuitive interface for crafting developer environments.

I'm really looking forward what you build on top of devenv. We're only beginning to explore the area of what's possible, so please give as much feedback as you have.

Domen

Hi all,

I'm the author of https://devenv.sh, https://cachix.org and https://nix.dev.

I've been part of the Nix community for years and in the last 4 years focused on making it documented, simple and accessible for any developer.

After building Cachix (where you can store any software binaries with a few steps) we realized that there needs to be an intuitive interface for crafting developer environments.

I'm really looking forward what you build on top of devenv. We're only beginning to explore the area of what's possible, so please give as much feedback as you have.

Domen

I've mentioned them at my talk yesterday :)

https://youtu.be/WuWZqSSoLxY

Can we wait with the nukes for a few months?

I really want to know how the universe works before we go back to sticks and stones.

You probably never heard about Bhopal disaster, one of the world's worst industrial disasters, killing 3787 people.