dextorious

Really? You have to ask?

Tons of free software projects have ESTABLISHED testing procedures. Have some of your developers/project members sit and check it is OK before shipping it.

Even more so, if you have a huge company and PAID developers on the project (Automatic).

"X is not Y"

"Please someone inform Z (people/companies that abuse X as Y or even use it as K<<Y)"

Doesn't look that smart this way, now, does it?

I also want it to be easily adjustable to arbitrary needs. This doesn't cut it.

Also, Zope based. I worked with Zope building large portals from 2000-2004. Worked, but not a very pleasant experience.

"""After about 10 minutes with Plone, a few months with Joomla, about 2 years with Drupal, and finally 3 years with WordPress, I think WordPress is still a brilliant solution for lots of problems."""

I agree. And I think this says a lot of the sorry state of Open Source (actually, even proprietary) CMS engines.

Wordpress is kinda nice, but it too breaks down.

For sites after a certain level of complexity, instead of CMS like Drupal etc, what would be useful would be a CMS lib, to build your own solution around.

Don't have my work in your idiotic constraints, just give me something like (fake language):

front_page_articles = get("type"=>"article", "limit"=>5, "published"=>true, "order"=>"DESC");

search_results = search("query"=>$query, "limit"=>100, "order"=>"RELEVANCE", "range"=>[10,20]);

add_document("body"=>$body, "title"=>$title, "createdBy"=>getCurrentUser().id. ...);

The thing that Apache Jackrabbit could be, but isn't exactly/yet.

"""Early Lisp programmers (Erann Gat) at Google actually noticed that other programmers were equally or more productive. It has more to do with the programmer;"""

The might have been mighty good Lisp programmers, but if they had to "notice" that, instead of knowing it all along, they probably have drank too much of the Lisp kool-aid.

Really, if Lisp is so productive, how come very few things of major importance have come in Lisp? Besides Emacs and/or Viaweb.

99% of stuff we use is made, well, NOT IN LISP (including variations on the Lisp theme, from Scheme to Clojure).

If something was that much more productive, wouldn't it have surfaced in, you know, actually producing things?

I understand that Lisp has a smaller developer population, but even so, if it's so much more productive, where are all the cool usable tools made in it, by some talented guys? I can mainly/only find some internal tools at that or this facility, or Lisp used for extension language.

Opinions?

1) who said that it has to be added as a keyword? 2) It's trivial to fix it even in that case. 3) A well chosen keyword will break like 0.0000000000000000001% of the web. Big deal.

"""Naming names doesn't change the idea"""

Oh, but it does. First, it shows that you didn't understood what you read (re: who wrote the proposal).

Second, it shows that the thing that you deemed as unfit for the language is considered as fit by the VERY CREATOR of said language.

"""It is surely a wholesale change to function semantics in the language."""

So what, if it's needed?

"""People were getting building done before reinforced concrete, doing particle physics before synchrotrons, and designing mechanical devices before CAD. Since we have had these things, however, each of these fields has advanced significantly due to their use."""

I actually like the achievements of each of these fields better, way before those technological advances.

Reinforced concrete architecture sucks compared to the marvels of times past, particle physics were more interesting back in the day of the Copenhagen boyz, and I like pre-cad mechanical devices, from cars to watches, better than what we get today. But that's just me.

"""The problem is that you're making a decision about someone based on a single obviously visible facet of them, rather than based on _them_."""

And the problem is, again?

Until I get to know _them_ (and that is something I rarely get to do, regarding the random people I respond to on HN comment threads) I can only make the decision based on whatever obviously visible facet of them I have.

"""If you treat "men" one way and "women" a different way, then that is a problem, because you're treating them like a homogenous block, rather than individuals."""

I don't treat people I don't know as individuals.

It's an evolutionary thing, we progressed by matching patterns and assigning things to GENERAL categories. Treating things individually comes much later. Here's how Nietchze puts it in his"JOYFUL WISDOM" book:

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Where has logic originated in men's heads? Undoubtedly out of the illogical, the domain of which must originally lave been immense. But numberless beings who reasoned otherwise than we do at present, perished; albeit that they may have come nearer to truth than we!

Whoever, for example, could not discern the " like " often enough with regard to food, and with regard to animals dangerous to him, whoever, therefore, deduced too slowly, or was too circumspect in his deductions, had smaller probability of survival than he who in all similar cases immediately divined the equality.

The preponderating inclination, however, to deal with the similar as if the equal — an illogical inclination, for there is nothing equal in itself — first created the whole basis of logic. It was just so (in order that the conception of substance should originate, this being indispensable to logic, although in the strictest sense nothing actual corresponds to it) that for a long period the changing process in things had to be overlooked, and remain unperceived ; the beings not seeing correctly had an advantage over those who saw everything "in flux."

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See? It helps to generalize!

TL;DR; woman frustrated by ex-spouse takes it out on the HN crowd.

Here. Now you can't complain that we didn't treat you aggressively enough because you're a woman!

;-)

Of course there is a difference in QUALITY between boy-thoughts and girl-thoughts.

(Quality not as in better, but as in "different" [dict] character or nature, as belonging to or distinguishing a thing).

For example: http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone...

Actually, for a programming genius, those exact comments in the article seems lazy and ignorant.

And where exactly is the "problem" part?

Why shouldn't they? Because one woman protests? Tons of other women protest if you DO treat them differently. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation.

Try treating women exactly like men and see how far you will go...

As I explicitly wrote: "TL;DR;".

Tons of other articles on the same matter do, and though I saved myself some time.

Now I have to go read TFA. Thanks for nothing, killjoy.

Test cases were not that fashionable back in the day.

Surprisingly, people still got work done.

Yeah, and if everybody did that the network would melt in 2 hours, and you would be bitching about how slow it is...

Yes, because men generally treat each other with the outmost care and respect in internet forums, including HN, right?

TL;DR: We declare beforehand, without consulting any science (including Sociology and History), that men and women should have absolutely the same interests, and then lament about the existence of fields where men and women are not equally represented and condemn them as sexist.

Different groups of people have different priorities, likes and such. Not even Democrats vs Republicans -- even women vs men, black vs white, etc. Whenever you can make a distinction between two groups, you have attributes group A has that B does not.

Not everything is because there is some power at play keeping A/B different, and A/B not being absolutely interchangeable is not always a problem.

Get over it.

"""Eventually I picked up node and really enjoyed using it to develop my latest site and will probably continue to use it in future if I can and if it makes sense."""

Node is a special purpose evented system, not for general web site creation, though it can abused to do both.

But I would not compare it with Grails/Life/Spring or Rails/Django/Cake/Symphony etc...

"""Also, the title bothers me. Memos are leaked, not hacked."""

This is a pedantic distinction. Both could happen, if you take it to mean something like:

"Leaked": someone with "legal" access to it, made it available.

"Hacked": someone hacked their systems/email, and got the memo.

Yeah. And then, they simply move the black/whitelist to your ISP and/or make running your own recompiled-OS illegal.

Political problems are NOT solved with technical solutions.

No, it does not.

Communication is what happens on the wire.

Someone should inform you about generic statements and exceptions that prove a rule.

Sure.

He coded his game in one language and then SWITCHED in mid-development to another, with all the delay and hassles that that brings, in order to get links...

"""Maybe that's the case, I won't deny that. But heck, that they had to run away from their country for such reasons, doesn't that tell a bigger story per se? """

Well, didn't lots of Americans leave the states in the sixties to go to Canada to avoid the draft?

"""I recall you saying that they have the right to live their lives the way they want. But then you point out people that didn't haven't that right. I'm starting to get confused about your opinion, no irony nor sarcasm intended."""

I'm talking majority here. As I said, you can find dissents in any country, if you look hard enough. That doesn't mean you have to change the majority of the society to fit them. It's not like millions of Iranians are struggling to get out of the country. OTOH, after the invasion to bring "democracy", tons of Afghanis and Iraqis ARE.

"""I added that if the majority of Iranians didn't like how they live, then Iran would be objectively bad." Which is pretty obviously the case."""

Rather far from obvious. Western media showcases only the examples that fit that pattern, and westerners have the natural tendency to think "but of course, that's only natural, that's exactly what Iranians would be thinking".

For example:

"""Don't expect very informative surveys where saying "I'm not religious anymore" might be enough to get you killed."""

Well, hundreds of millions of people worldwide ARE religious, and wouldn't have it any other way. And not because they would be killed if they stated otherwise.

Take the Bible Belt for example.

Is there any doubt that the majority of the people there IS both religious AND conservative?

Now, there are also atheists in those parts, and you can find a ton of blogs saying "oh, my fellow Utah/Adelaine/Tulsa/... citizens are bigots and stupid" or such. And you can talk to a lot of folks from there that made it to New York or San Francisco or whereever, and they will badmouth their states and their governors.

The existence of the above does not mean that you'd be correct to say that the Bible Belt majority are atheists and progressive folk.

I have also some doubts about the "get you killed/stoned" thing. I used to get so angry at those stories, you know, them stoning a woman, hangings, etc, and think "those guys should be nuked for doing that".

But then I found out that a lot of those stories are BS, perpetuated as the media sees fit, and are representative of some local barbaric act in some village etc and not the state in general. Like, say, the lynching of some black folks, back in the 20's in the South.

A case in point is the story of this woman in Iran, it circulated a year ago I think, that was to be hanged. All the headlines made it sound like she was to be executed just because she had an extra-marital affair. Only if you read the whole article though, you'd find out that she also conspired with her lover to murder her husband. And even when they admit to this in the article, they bury it under suspicion and irony, as if Iranian justice is de facto faulty.

Compare these pieces for example: http://digitaljournal.com/article/299760 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315818/Iran-woman-A...

With the much more objective Wikipedia article:

On May 15, 2006 Sakineh pleaded guilty for having an "illicit relationship outside marriage". If a person pleads guilty to adultery under Islamic law, the sentence may be either death by stoning or 100 lashes. The court handed down a punishment of 100 lashes, her son watched the whipping.

Ashtiani had allegedly committed adultery with the man (Isa Taheri) who murdered her husband. Taheri was found guilty of murder and sentenced to death. Under Islamic law, murder must be absolved by diyya (blood money given to victim's family) or qisas (retributive execution); Ashtiani's children chose to accept diyya. Taheri was sentenced to 10 years' imprisonment. According to some sources, he is now no longer in prison, although Iranian officials deny this.

In September 2006 her case was brought up again, where she was tried for murdering her husband as well as committing adultery. She was found guilty of murder (qatl-e-amnd) and sentenced to death by hanging.

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Now, I'm against the death penalty altogether, but it makes you wonder how reports of such cases are represented in our media.

And how often they are used to justify war/invasion etc, something that inevitably leads to hundreds of thousands more misery, destruction, death etc that some dozen such cases.

Downvotes, really?

I can understand "religious" flames, but people at HN also disagree with statements of fact?

Fact: Linux/OSS has bad/lacking/non-existent support for video editing. The fact that you can point to 2-3 half-finished NLE projects that no professional uses doesn't change this. There are the plugins, the drivers for capture options, other supporting software, etc missing.

Fact: Linux/OSS had bad/lacking/non-existent support for MIDI/Audio sequencing. The fact that you can point to 2-3 half-finished DAW projects that no professional uses doesn't change this. There are the plugins, the drivers for capture options, other supporting software, etc missing. No, some semi-abandoned VST wrapper is not a solution.

Fact: Linux/OSS has bad/lacking/non-existent DTP/CMYK support. No Scribus doesn't exactly cut it professionally, and the fact that GIMP got CMYK doesn't change the lack of other parts of the CMYK workflow much.

"""I suppose a rebuke to this point would be to question whether any nation is truly governed by a sovereign people, or if this is merely another form of Western projection?"""

Exactly that.

Also: even if there is "rampant electoral fraud" how do we know this?

I don't think mainstream western reports on the matter are to be trusted, in the same way as reports on Iraq's WMD weren't to be trusted (and they also appeared on places like the NYT).

Also, wasn't the Bush/Florida thing also "electoral fraud"?

And furthermore, I find the whole representation/voting thing a travesty as it currently is done, mainly allowing just two parties (Reps and Dems) that are much alike, and presenting huge barriers to entry. I also remember a list of murdered presidents/candidates (Kennedy?), major police interference in politics (McCarthyism), Watergate, etc.

Why not directly analogous representation/seats to the overall numbers of votes a party got US-wide? Why not ban political advertising of any kind (which favors the one with more spending budget), and only let the influence of each party's program/ideas to determine voter turnout? Why not force free TV time for every party/candidate with more than x% on the previous vote? Why not disallow lobbying altogether (if you want influence for matter X, get it through public->voting->representation) not through Washington corridors).

So, for one, the issue "sovereign people's" vs "sovereign societies" is a muddled one. So, who get's to decide which is which?

Second, I'd say that even in the blatantly obvious case of non sovereign people, one doesn't get to intervene in a sovereign nation. If the people want their government/dictator toppled, they can do it themselves. If another nation doesn't like it, they can stop doing business with the dictators, etc, but why should they invade or anything?

By invading you don't "bring democracy", you bring your idea of democracy (which might not be what the locals would have chosen given the chance), and your influence over local politics. Not to mention that you also de-stabilize the society to supporters of your action or not (like it happened in Iraq and elsewhere) --and when a country is being bombed, enemies of the one's bombing is not the same as friends of the dictator. If you kill my brother in order to get to Saddam, for example, I'd hate you, even if I was against Saddam in the first place. Which complicates things a lot.

And all of these without taking "national interests, natural resources" of the intervening country on consideration. Which, because those can always be a factor, and if often the deciding one, should make us even more suspect re: intervention on sovereign countries.

I say, as long as they don't go invading any other sovereign country, let them fix their mess for themselves.

I also take offense to the "they build/have the bomb" line, when it comes from countries that ALREADY have the bomb. But do people believe this is something more than the moralizing country defending their monopoly on nuclear terror? And why should we trust one that, say, already dropped two of those on civilians? I'm all for EVERYBODY disarming their bombs.

Yeah. Except if he starts to work with multimedia. Edit video, make professional grade midi/audio sequencing etc. Which with Linux will be a world of pain and/or deadend.

Same if he wants to work with a CMYK design workflow, or in a professional DTP environment etc. A world of pain again and/or deadend.

"""I'm sorry, if I'm Iranian myself does your reply still applies? Just wondering."""

Yeah, it totally still applies. You can find dissents in any country.

And, btw, you are not. Here's an older comment of yours on HN: """I'm from a country way more developed than iran in technological/scientific terms""".

"""This "everybody has the right to their way of living" is getting old and stupid.""""

Really? Sorry, but I don't find the "let's demonize them, force them to our own way of living, and basically use it as a pretext for invading their country and steering their natural resources / political personnel our way" any more modern or wiser...

"""Have you ever visited Iran?"""

No, but I have visited other countries in the region of which the same are said.

"""I find it interesting that when I talk about this subject with people from muslim countries, they understand me very well and mostly agree with me"""

You are probably talking to the wrong persons from those countries. Maybe mainly people that immigrated because they wanted to live differently, i.e huge selection bias?

"""Anyway, your comment is almost semantically null. Why wouldn't it be obvious that anyone's judgement has whatever credibility you want to give it? Furthermore, By assuming that everything is subjective you're basically stating that you won't dare to stand for any opinion of yours""".

I haven't said that "everything is subjective". I said that I respect the right of societies to live how they like over the right of any outsider to force them otherwise, especially if the outsider is a big mean war machine.

In re: objective/subjective etc, I said that you don't liking how people in Iran live just means Iran is subjectively bad for you. I added that if the majority of Iranians didn't like how they live, then Iran would be objectively bad.

I was talking about the showcases "celebrated" by the western media.

And "http://vimeo.com/2232226? Really?

This is coarse-grained propaganda, if I ever saw one!

As a commenter on Boing Boing says:

"""Yeah IMO stories like this one are useful in preparing the public's psych & emotions for the upcoming US "let's display bi-partisan foreign policy" demonstration...in other words, for Obama & his Secdef Gates' planned attack on Iran. Any secret special US Forces ops going on right now? Or are your "journalists" doing their "patriotic duty" by looking away, to enable another War? How do you distinguish between those Iranians it's OK for the USA to attack or maim or kill and those who aren't? Are only employees and civil servants of the State of Iran and those who actively oppose US control/diktaat over Iranian domestic policy "fair game"? Or is it only those Iranians who happen to live in Iran ? Or those opposed to the views of "freedom-loving" Iranians living in foreign exile? I think the USA/Western media should STFU about Iran, and and instead direct their efforts at getting NATO and the US Armed Forces to immediately stop killing Asians. This would show their humanitarianism, if not their usefulness...."""

Designed to let the viewer with the impression that those blogs support toppling the government, changing their way of life etc. It basically uses the notion of having a blog as axiomatically meaning that.

Have you read a lot of those actual blogs, not just the selected few celebrated in our media?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/06/16/are-you-ready-for-war...