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cs137··on EverQuest’s long, strange 20-year trip still has no end in sight (2019)
Agree. Graphics matter but aren't the most important thing, and anyone who thinks GPT-3 can write compelling storylines doesn't understand GPT-3 or story craft.

A FAANG would fuck up any MMO it tried. Trust me on this. I could say more, but I'd dox myself. They simply don't have the DNA for it. What would happen is that control of the thing would be given to CEO's pets and corporate bikeshedders and the product would be mediocre.

If a company is going to create a new great MMO, it needs to be a single-purpose company dedicated toward just that... and, of course, that means it's taking a huge risk. It will also need to resist the temptation to get bought by an existing FAANG, because as soon as it is, the quality will decline.

cs137··on Ask HN: Can a politically exposed person in middle age become a CS researcher?
Thanks! Yeah, I'm in the process of figuring out what I want to research. I'm still in the phase where all the areas of CS seem interesting, although some more than others.

AI is the most interesting and mathematical thus far, but I think the most employable field (and one in which age is an advantage) might be security. I'd also really like to take at least a course or two in compilers... and probably one or two in graphics/CV just because I don't know anything about it.

cs137··on Ask HN: Can a politically exposed person in middle age become a CS researcher?
Yes. I'm married--in fact, threats against my family were the major reason I scaled back by public presence--so that adds a bit of complexity, but moving elsewhere is definitely an option. I know enough about Europe to know that it's not the utopia many liberals/leftists make it out to be, but I don't see much of a future here.

A very talented (sadly deceased) acquaintance of mine became unemployable in the US due to his left-wing politics, although he was quite moderate (e.g., he never advocated violence). He ended up doing very well at LSE.

Given the way things are in this country, movement abroad is something I've been thinking about for a while, but it's not a decision to be taken lightly.

cs137··on What’s up with Austin?
Part of the problem is that you only get one real crack at the career game. As you get older, your options diminish and the negative social inferences that come with age (even though they have no basis) tend to mount, so you don't have a lot of chances.

Bosses definitely pick their successors based on the "one of us" metric, much more than actual merit or job performance, and this usually means one has to live in the same expensive neighborhoods and send one's kids to the same expensive schools as theirs. Is it possible to succeed, without playing that game? Yes, of course. However, it's unlikely, and so I wouldn't bet my life on it.

cs137··on What’s up with Austin?
That's true, but when people complain about their cities getting worse because of transplants, they're usually talking about something different: the newcomers "killed the vibe." This is based on a 1960s-era presupposition that people move due to lifestyle considerations (as opposed to out of economic need, as has been the case since then) and that the newcomers are coming for the "wrong" reasons (people found out that California doesn't get snow!!)

They might be related, though. The ruling class has deliberately destroyed local communities and forced people to become an on-demand proletariat that will move (often at personal expense!) "where the jobs are". If you want to have a career in tech, for example, you pretty much to live in one of 5 or 6 highly expensive cities, because you won't be taken seriously if you live anywhere else. It's not necessarily pathological that Americans move so much; what is pathological is that they have to do so, just to survive.

cs137··on What’s up with Austin?
Thank you for this. It really infuriates me when white guys (and I am a cishet white guy, but I have empathy for those who aren't) treat issues like gay marriage and abortion access like "culture war" nice-to-haves, as if for any controversy the center must be the right place and both sides must have a point. It ain't so.

Some people in our society really want to turn women into passive baby-making machines, just as some people in our society want back the legal right to own people, just as some people think capital's leverage over labor is morally legitimate. Human rights and civil rights are non-negotiable and we must give our adversaries no quarter.

cs137··on What’s up with Austin?
Austin is in danger of following California's path.

The reason Silicon Valley sucks is that Wall Street started sending its failures into tech to boss nerds around, and they drove out the real people, the ones who actually cared about technology and steering its role in society to the good. Now, tech is full of FAANG bros who don't mind open-plan offices and daily interviews for their own job, because they're all going to be CEOs in three years (in their minds).

The Paradox of Tolerance is how Burning Man got infested by networking billionaires. California's death is the Paradox of Tolerance in action, and Austin is in the same danger.

cs137··on A Random Distribution of Wealth (2017)
What more do you want, or will you blame some specific demographic + sex + sexual orientation for this ?

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you implying that all critics of inequality dislike cishet white males? Because I am a cishet white male and not only is that simply not true, but it misunderstands what we on the left are saying when we talk about systemic issues (e.g. systemic racism).

To say there is systemic racism does not say that all whites are racist. It doesn't even say that most whites are racist. (I don't think it's true.) It doesn't even mean that most police are racist. (I don't think that's true, either.) It simply means that our society is configured in such a way that produces racist results, sometimes through emergence and sometimes through hidden intent.

All that said, our society is way more classist than it is racist or sexist, but all those problems are intertwined, because the upper class benefits when the rest of us are divided.

cs137··on A Random Distribution of Wealth (2017)
Not only will there be inequality of talent (relative to whatever talents are valued at a given time, because that itself is in flux) but simulations like this show that random inequality is not an aberration, but inevitable.

The more precisely realistic one is his geometric-variance model, in which some end up in massive debt while others end up very rich--a permanent division of society into landlords/bosses and peons. In theory, the state is supposed to prevent this through taxation and policy, but what we observe in capitalist countries is that the wealthy inevitably corrupt the state that is supposed to constrain them. The US is already at third-world levels of corruption and inequality, and the EU is only 20 years or so behind on this neoliberal roller coaster to nowhere.

Capitalism promises equilibrium, but it diverges. The people in charge will always have the power and resources to see to it that (a) they stay in charge, and (b) the gains from economic growth go solely to them.

cs137··on Advice for academic refugees
In academia, it's open season on attacking ideas. There's nothing wrong with this; indeed, that's what we expect our intellectuals to do. Unfortunately, some cannot separate (both as critics, and when criticized) the attacking of ideas from attacking of people.

In corporate, it's always an attack on a person, because ideas don't matter in corporate. In theory, ideas can matter insofar as they can drive a P&L, but in practice, corporate is not about P&L at all so much as it is about how P&L are attributed to oneself personally. This does mean people are less ready to criticize an idea (or a person) in the open, although that's mostly because the real gaming happens behind the backs of those being gamed.

cs137··on Advice for academic refugees
With academics, I think the problem is to some degree self-created. In the Boomer days, they copped the attitude that their research was the only thing that mattered and that teaching was unimportant grunt work to be delegated as much as possible. This resulted in under-educated, condescended-to politicians reducing their funding, and this combined with administrative bloat (another Boomer trick) to create a truly awful job market.

Government research labs tend to have decent cultures, but it seems like the replacement of old, decent noblesse oblige companies by new-style psychotic McKinsey-esque startup-culture ones is complete. What I've heard is that places like Google X are ultra-political (which isn't surprising, because all FAANGs are nasty places run by nasty people). I've had decent R&D jobs; the problem is that they're unstable. You are a resource to be pulled into someone else's war.

cs137··on The Economic Impact of Moore’s Law: Evidence from when it faltered (2017) [pdf]
This makes sense, but it might be a mercy that progress on VR is slow, given that it's Facebook ("Meta") that is trying to push it.

It'll be best for all of us if technology slows, except perhaps for those innovations that reduce energy usage and GHG emissions, until corporate capitalism is overthrown (which may be 50 years or more away). It's actually a good thing, under our current economic system, that technological capabilities are so low compared to what they could be.

cs137··on Advice for academic refugees
There are a lot of problems with academia, but this post shows such a rosy-eyed view of industry, I have a hard time taking it or its conclusions seriously.

An industry job is fine if you're protected from the politics and valued for your knowledge and intelligence, but that's rare, and it usually doesn't last. The people making major decisions don't value intelligence or curiosity and, worse yet, they often have malevolent intentions. Getting "screwed" in academia means getting a B because of a tricky question on a final, or having to publish in a less prestigious journal than you think you deserve. Getting screwed in industry means you lose your right to an income and might never get it back.

The thing is, people in industry (meaning for-profit businesses that expect every member to work on some line-of-business concern... I'm not talking about research labs) have better social skills than academics are used to, so a lot of ex-academics jump into it thinking they're getting into a non-toxic environment, because the corrosive behaviors are not immediately visible. It takes a few years before people realize they haven't just entered "industry"--they've gone into literal corporate America.

cs137··on The Economic Impact of Moore’s Law: Evidence from when it faltered (2017) [pdf]
What seems to be happening is that economic Moore's Law is continuing: computation is becoming cheaper, which means that the same amount of money can buy more of it. (This may be on hold post-2020, due to the shortage crisis.) On the other hand, clock speeds aren't being pushed past 4 GHz because (a) thermal issues become severe, and (b) there is no real industrial need--single-threaded programs can already do millions of things in time we consider imperceptible, so slow computation is usually a software or network problem in the first place.

In theory, this could be a good thing, because parallel and concurrent computing are hard and something has to flush out the mediocre programmers (the ones who put with Agile Scrum and Jira) who've flooded the market. In practice, though, it seems to be pushing society in the wrong direction. Just as regular people don't benefit from low or negative interest rates (since they'll still pay high interest on personal loans), regular people aren't going to be able to set up a cluster on AWS--or even know why they might want to. The result, then, of the move toward cloud computing seems to be worsening, not improvement, of the power imbalance between capital and labor.

In the long long run, we're still seeing technical advances, which are cause for hope. In the short term, though, the picture is ugly because the technical gains are mostly going to the few who have the capital necessary to profit from them.

cs137··on It's not acceptable that Google does not offer support to users
That's why it's important to regulate employers even more tightly than search engines.
cs137··on It's not acceptable that Google does not offer support to users
Plausible deniability for whom? Employers? Which side are you on?

If we don't regulate employers and the decisions they make, people will continue being denied jobs for stupid reasons.

In the ongoing war against fascism, moderation is no virtue and extremity is no vice.

cs137··on It's not acceptable that Google does not offer support to users
Damages for defamation are hard to prove.

If someone with a million followers says on Twitter, "I don't like Bob", then Bob is never going to get hired anywhere, but there's no legal case. Indeed, the person voicing the opinion didn't break any laws or do anything wrong--the problem, rather, is with employers who refuse to hire anyone remotely controversial (and who, in doing so, implement "cancel culture", although it's always been the left that is most viciously cancelled).

Free speech is important, but we need to regulate the shit out of search engines and employers in order to protect people from unearned reputation damage.

cs137··on It's not acceptable that Google does not offer support to users
What about their search engine?

I knew someone who worked as a "reputation hit man". I don't know what his rate is today, but back in the 2000s, he would, for $500, impersonate and defame a person all over the internet. Most of his clients were corporate executives trying to take out competitors for promotions. He may be out of that business, but it still exists and the practice is widespread.

Google knows about this problem, and in the EU, there is a right to be forgotten. If you're American, though, there could be "Google dirt" about you or about someone with the same first and last name, keeping you from getting decent jobs, and you probably wouldn't even know.

cs137··on It's not acceptable that Google does not offer support to users
4) I'm sure people have committed suicide and lost jobs because of the consequences from Google blocking their account without any recourse. This is definitely not an acceptable state of affairs, and I'd suggest avoiding using Google products whenever possible until this reprehensible behavior is changed.

I don't know of any Google-specific stories, but this has happened to people reliant on other tech companies and, more often than not, it was intentional. Most of the targets are foreign nationals, because they try to buy American "troublemakers" off first, but there are a couple high-profile cases of this sort of thing happening in the US.

We live in a strange time wherein corporations can act with a complete absence of accountability, especially if the out-of-touch, rich, geriatric men who write our laws can be hoodwinked into thinking that abuse of technological leverage is somehow impossible (because the mechanisms are beyond what they personally understand).

cs137··on Even your boss wants to quit
Plus, you only had to brownnose for a couple afternoons. Once they decided they liked you, you just had to be not insufferable.
cs137··on Even your boss wants to quit
That's a factor too, and I think that as Millennials and Xers realize that the BoomerJobs--the jobs in which you actually have some choice in what you work on, where you write your own performance review because the boss sees you as a friend rather than an exploitable resource--aren't going to be allocated to them, but written out of existence, we will see an acceleration of the discouragement and "presenteeism" that are already endemic.

The only reason we haven't seen 85% of society give up all at once is that some people still hold out hope that the BoomerJobs, once vacated, will be given to them. That isn't going to happen, though.

People work "hard" in our society, because they have no other choice, since there is no social safety net and employers can do whatever they want in this country, but no one really cares anymore. This has manifested itself as survivable mediocrity for quite a while, but as soon as our society finds itself in any kind of serious crisis it will collapse. It almost did, during COVID.

cs137··on Even your boss wants to quit
"Great resignation" is mostly that, a narrative. Workers aren't actually becoming powerful. They're just slightly less powerless, and everyone knows it's transient--barring an overthrow of corporate capitalism, but I think we all know that such things are unpredictable--which is why people are itchy to move now before things go back to how they were and everyone is stuck in place for a while.

It's good for cappie PR to create a narrative of empowered, entitled workers. It's just not true, though. Most of the current worker attrition has to do with COVID-related disability (long COVID), gas prices, and displacements caused by rising rents. It's not that people are suddenly deciding not to work because the Capitalism Fairy is putting seed capital under their pillows--it's that people who had few options now have even fewer.

cs137··on Wrecked by Success? Not to Worry
Stephen King is a special case for all sorts of reasons.

He's undeniably talented, which even his detractors will admit. (The complaint of literary snobs isn't that he's a bad writer, but that he puts his talent toward genres of writing they don't like.) His quality profile is also notably variable, which is also part of why he has so many detractors. He also came up in a time when publishing was more forgiving of idiosyncrasies and personal difficulties. (In today's world, a literary agent will fire and cancel you on Twitter if you get a pronoun wrong by mistake.) Finally, he was always a high-functioning drug addict, and there are a lot more of them than most people think (although it seems rare to stay high-functioning for more than a few years).

The thing about King, love him or hate him, is that he loves to write. Most people, even among successful novelists, don't--and that's OK, because it's extremely difficult to do well, and the rewards are astronomically uncommon. I think this explains why he was able to write decent books even while battling these demons.

cs137··on Wrecked by Success? Not to Worry
But really, who is the better player after 10 years? The person who keeps losing while playing the game in 'impossible mode' or the person who keeps winning while playing in 'easy mode'?

Hard to say. I think they're both damaged, for lack of a better way to put it. The easy-mode player doesn't know what he's doing, but the impossible-mode player has developed a bunch of a heuristics that are probably counterproductive in a fair game.

In a two-player competitive game, this wouldn't be such an issue, because facing more adversity (a tougher opponent) will make you a better player in a theater that is strictly and always competitive. This doesn't apply as well to real life because sometimes you need to cooperate and sometimes you need to compete, and most people who have come up under adversity (which is far from a rare condition) will end up over-competing.

You see this in education, too. A lot of people think that Harvard Business School or Yale Law would be hyper-competitive environments. They're not, because it really doesn't matter if you get B's with that kind of brand-name school. The most competitive places are the ones in the midpack where some of the graduates will get good jobs but many won't. Harvard Business School is where people learn how to cooperate with douchebags, in the hope of being invited to join the douchebag class. Whereas graduates of, say, second-tier law schools make fantastic litigators but are never going to become biglaw partners because they don't have the social pedigree.

The easy-mode winner learns how to make people like him, which is all it really takes in business, because reliable mediocrity is quite enough. The impossible-mode player becomes hyper-competent but will usually fail socially because he can't get anyone to follow him. He knows exactly how everything works, but his knowledge is fucking depressing.

That might explain why a lot of what's currently happening in society comes across as ridiculous, nonsensical or hypocritical to the majority. Clown world.

Absolutely. And we live in a world where becoming famous or an "influencer" is all most people care about. I'm a novelist, releasing a book next year. I also burned down my social media platform in 2016 out of an ill-advised protest. So it will be an outlier success if my book sells 5,000 copies in the first year, which is not all that much. (You certainly can't live on that.) Meanwhile, Kyle Fucking Rittenhouse, who has 400k+ Twitter followers, could get a seven-figure advance for ghost-written garbage. This is why you see kids doing those unsafe, stupid "challenges" on TikTok. They're not any stupider than we were at their age, but they've figured out that this is a world in which, if you don't have at least a national reputation, you might as well be dead.

cs137··on The Value of an Undergraduate Degree
I am. We're a long way from automating all human labor out of existence, but we only have to automate some of it to trigger wage collapses, because the job market is inelastic in a way that works not in labor's favor.

The reason cappies are bitching about a "labor shortage" right now is that, during this anomalous period, inelasticity seems to be working against them (although, let's be honest, they're not hurting all that much). Is that going to trigger long-term movement in labor's favor? Probably not. Capital has political and social power, not to mention well-oiled PR machinery, and labor doesn't.

We'll still have jobs for human truckers in 2035. We might have only automated 10% of those jobs. It won't matter. A 10% cut in job availability can trigger a 50% drop in wages and working conditions. What are workers going to do, not work? It's the same thing as with gas prices. A small disruption can cause costs to spike.

If you rely on the labor market to survive, the future has literally nothing for you, unless corporate capitalism is overthrown.

cs137··on Wrecked by Success? Not to Worry
So much of what is called being "wrecked by success" is just regular old regression to the mean (which is not usually real regression--i.e., there is no underlying degradation--but simply the contrast between early skill-plus-outlier-luck and, later, mere skill-plus-average-luck).

Most people are mediocre in their early years and get filtered out, even though a good percentage of them had the underlying talent and skill, and just never got lucky. Most of the ones who succeed once aren't going to succeed again, not because they're actually getting dumber but because non-success is the norm in this world.

Wreckage by success can happen, but it usually requires some odious externality that the person is unable to handle. You see this in the arts and in the literary world, because authors start getting invited to the parties that become necessary to make connections (for reviews, resources, and future publication) and then turn into coke zombies who can't write anymore. You don't see it as much with math professors, because there is no incentive pulling them into that scene--with the latter, it's just regular regression to the mean.

cs137··on Wrecked by Success? Not to Worry
This is on the money, and it's a real problem. You see survivorship bias all over this economy, and it's manifested most strongly in the self-help and toxic-positivity cultures.

People who succeed don't understand or know why. They might have earned their success (some did, some didn't) but being competent at something is orthogonal to knowing why one succeeded at it, over the hundreds of others who fell on their faces. They know the least about how the system works, because they won the lottery by having the whole edifice stay out of their way.

On the other hand, people who failed tend to know exactly why they failed. This doesn't mean they understand the system either. Individually, almost no one does--successful or otherwise. Thing is, no one wants to listen to them. All they can tell you is what not to do, through a story with a depressing ending. It's very easy to write them off as bitter old washouts who never belonged in the game in the first place.

In general, there's a conflict in our society that, I think, explains a lot of the weird dichotomies that emerge, including political ones, and it's this: holding an external locus of control and a negative view of society makes you correct, but isn't always conducive to ideal mental health. On the other hand, believing in an internal locus of control and holding a pleasant view of society, although it largely makes you incorrect, seems to increase the likelihood that you will enjoy positive mental health and therefore succeed. Classical decision theory holds that having more information leads to better decisions and higher utility; on the other hand, when it comes to locus-of-control and the nature of society, being correct is observably maladaptive. It's tough to say which is "better".

cs137··on The Value of an Undergraduate Degree
If you're making your kids pay rent, there are bigger issues. Why aren't they able to find housing? Are they not able to find decent jobs? There could be any number of answers, and it might not be the kid's fault, but something may be pathological here. (Of course, there are also valid reasons for kids to live with their parents; elder care is just one of them.) The time to solve the problem (if there is one) was years ago.

In today's world, I don't think you should have kids unless you have enough wealth to guarantee that they won't have to rely on the labor market to survive. That doesn't mean you need to have enough money for them to live like private jet assholes; but you should be able to leave them enough that they can do what they want with their lives, because the era of "good jobs" seems to be ending.

Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to prepare children for the life that lies ahead for them. There are too many unknown variables. Within 10-15 years, we're either going to have a complete (and possibly quite violent, thus unpredictable) global overthrow of capitalism--this is necessary, but there's no guarantee of what comes afterward being better--or we will see the opening steps of regression into such a degraded state--techno-capitalist feudalism within a collapsing ecosystem (in Fraser's terminology, a rentism that turns into exterminism upon pressure)--that will leave humanity unlikely, within anyone's lifetime, to recover.

1950s parents prepared their kids for one world; in the 1980s, their kids entered one that was slightly shittier (economically speaking) but still fairly similar. Most of our (1980s and '90s) parents prepared us for a world that no longer exists; we ended up coming of age into an unrecognizable country. (Who would have predicted, in late 1990s, that working conditions and living standards in the US would be third world within a generation? No one; I remember; I was there.) I feel really bad for parents today, because there is no way of knowing what the future is going to look like, but the probability of it being absolutely atrocious is much, much higher than it should be.

cs137··on The Value of an Undergraduate Degree
Surely, you know that there is a difference between abstinence (voluntary, pursued for esoteric reasons) and deprivation (involuntary, imposed by a malevolent society).

I think children should do enough chores to have a sense of self-efficacy. Same with survival skills. Being college-age or older and not knowing how to cook or do basic cleaning is an embarrassment, even if you're rich.

All that said, if you want your kids to succeed in the world, they have to know how to do a task without becoming the one who does the task, if you catch the distinction. In the workplace, you have to be willing to do unpleasant jobs, but be extremely selective in what you're willing to let yourself become the one who does. Outside of the upper class, no one really learns this skill. People from working- or middle-class backgrounds are either too resistant to doing tasks they consider beneath them (which is a bad look) or too willing, which leads to recurring time and image costs that eat up their ability to have a career.

cs137··on The Value of an Undergraduate Degree
The current system in the US was not created as a program to efficiently educate a modern workforce to maintain a modern economy , so it fails miserably

If anything, the problem with the US education system is that it was designed to do that, and does it well.

Low-income public schools have metal detectors and a significant police presence. Show up a minute late to class (the bells were put there at the request of industrialists) and you'll lose points. They're treated like possible future criminals. High-income public schools have open campuses and forgiving attitudes toward late work and adolescent mischief, but still have lots of rules about when people can do what. Prep schools have guidance counselors that tell you exactly what you need to do, and who will start setting you up at 14, to get into whatever undergraduate college you choose--they train you to expect to be handed everything you want by society.

Whether it's by design or emergence, the system funnels people into socioeconomic strata that neatly correspond to the one they were born into. In the middle class, this means they get an education that is by-and-large competently delivered and that offers a little bit of autonomy but does not, in general, reward creativity.

The average middle school, with its stultifying rules, its emphasis on memorization and busywork, and its reward/punishment systems, is great training for the median industrial job. High school, with the culture of status-seeking and social pettiness, is great preparation for the white-collar corporate world. College trains people for the kind of job that would have been available to them fifty years ago; but in today's economy, all the decent opportunities are spoken-for.

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