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> I feel like there are two realities right now where half the people say LLM doesn't do anything well and there is another half that's just using LLM to the max. Can everybody preface what stack they are using or what exactly they are doing so we can better determine why it's not working for you? Maybe even include what your expectations are? Maybe even tell us what models you're using? How are you prompting the models exactly?

Just right now, I've been feeding o4-mini with high effort a C++ file with a deadlock in it.

It has failed to fix the problem after 3 times, and it introduced a double free bug in one of the attempts. It did not see the double free problem until I pointed it out.

What dead meme did I open with?

I've been "lurking" on 4chan since it was 2 years old. I think that is more than enough time. Also not interested in conforming to group think on 4chan when the entire point of the place is no censorship.

I'm not here to argue that alt-right good or bad or more truthful than mainstream views.

I'm just here to say that 4chan seems to be censoring stuff that goes against it.

They've basically made it a safe space echo chamber for the alt-right.

I don't think it is out of date at all.

Anti-jewish content was there 10 years ago as well. The board is full of white supremacist posts when I checked yesterday with lots of threads complaining about non-white races. There's absolutely no indication that it has been overtaken by developing countries.

Just because they changed their name to "groyper" doesn't mean they aren't alt-right anymore.

As for support for authoritarian regimes like russia, it is obvious that they are running propaganda on the website and want to sow division in the US by encouraging fringe groups like these.

reddit may have shills and bots but even if they were 90% of the population, they still have way more users than anything like voat, saidit, etc...

> I will give my opinion of it because I think most people don't get it and take the board wayy too seriously.

I don't take the board seriously.

The posts I made that got deleted for being "off topic" were mocking the alt-right and I just wanted to get a reaction out of people rather than trying to sway anyone. I know I'm not going to convince anyone and I'm not trying to get anyone elected.

So when I see my posts get deleted or I even get banned for being "off topic" while a post on the same topic with an alt-right bent stays up with 300 replies,it's a clear indication that 4chan has a strong political bias and is absolutely not free speech anymore as most people seem to think it is.

interracial porn is frequently used by the alt-right racists to point out the evils of "race mixing" and to blame jews for being the producers of it. It is not an anti alt-right point at all.

Even if its posted by someone that is against the alt-right, it becomes a post to unify alt-right users.

I would say that reddit quality has declined a huge amount, but people won't leave because there's a huge network effect. Nobody will join a reddit clone that is 95% functionally the same because there's nobody there. Every community that tried to migrate off reddit to a reddit clone has failed.

As an example of why reddit is so bad now (aside from the obvious moderation issues) about 1-2 years ago, reddit added a block feature that stops you from replying to any comment the blocker made and even any comment somebody else made below them.

So pretending this is reddit, I could make this reply saying that you are wrong and then say you have no evidence for your claims. Then I could immediately block you, making it look like you have no response. You are also not allowed to edit any of your comments saying you got blocked or else it will shadow delete that comment.

I have personally witnessed this abuse 5 times in the past few months and I don't even use reddit that much.

> I feel too many people conflate /pol/ with the whole website.

Because it is the 2nd most active category, and the racist/alt-right beliefs have spread to the other boards because the head admin fires anyone that tries to moderate it.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-man-who-helped-turn-4cha...

On top of that, they actively delete and ban posts that go against alt-right.

I discussed it somewhat recently here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42276865#42283887

It is common once your website hits a certain threshold in popularity.

If you are just a small startup or a blog, you'll probably never see an attack.

Even if you don't host anything offensive you can be targeted by competitors, blackmailed for money, or just randomly selected by a hacker to test the power of their botnet.

Its not just the pol board as I showed in my other comments.

I don't use the videogame board so I do not know if anti alt-right comments there get deleted, but I find it hard to believe that anybody is going to be emotionally invested enough to delete posts that say "game X is going to succeed even when it is woke".

From a random search it looks like there's a lot of racist or alt-right aligned political comments there that never get deleted though.

> Janitors don't delete posts that they don't see or are not reported.

So why is it that any alt-right or racist posts never get deleted? Even if they only deal with things that get reported to them, there's clearly a huge bias going on here when alt-right aligned posts never get reported while the opposite is reported and dealt with within minutes.

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/206317377/

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/206526786/#q206527439

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/206199053/#q206200223

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/206521664/#q206526548

> And yeah, if you don't give any examples it's hard to take you seriously. The example you did give was egregiously OT, and in fact potentially thread-derailing. The fact that you saw that as an example of janitors being unfair puts your credibility into question.

I believe I've given plenty of other examples not my own. I don't want to bring in my own examples because I don't want to be arguing about politics on this website, especially since I am not using a throwaway account like you are.

If the example I gave was egregiously OT, then so are all the dozens of race and politic baiting posts aligned with the alt-right that never ever seem to get the same treatment.

And for posts be deleted quickly, it needs to piss enough people off. The examples you used are the most softball examples that are not too aggressively worded and makes it more likely that alt-right users try and refute the claim rather than a knee jerk "report and sage".

Also tariffs are more of a tangential viewpoint rather than one exactly opposed to the alt-right.

> Image related is unfortunate. Not uncommon for jannies and mods in any website to use their power to self serve.

This isn't just a 1 off thing by rogue moderators is what I'm trying to point out. This is a constantly re-occurring thing. I also experienced the same issue multiple times until I got fed up with it and stopped posting there a few years ago.

Their main moderator had a goal to make 4chan politically aligned with his views. 4chan used to be free speech but it really isn't anymore.

The mods won't ban or delete 1 off posts that don't get any traction. And I'm talking about pol, the #1 board on the site by activity.

And no I don't visit g, if I wanted some discussion about technology I'd rather use this website instead. I'm not going to show any of my own examples for privacy purposes, and no doubt you will probably find some way to nit pick at those.

It's not entirely unrelated to the discussion and I guarantee you if someone said something aligned with alt-right, instead it would not have been censored.

Examples

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/206317377/

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/206526786/#q206527439

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/206199053/#q206200223

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/206521664/#q206526548

There were no rules broken. Actually they selectively ignore the rule against racism as long as it is aligned with alt-right, and not just the pol board now.

https://4chan.org/rules

3. You will not post any of the following outside of /b/:

  b. Racism

The political bias of the moderators on the website have been documented by others.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-man-who-helped-turn-4cha...

They selectively censor any opposing views that rile them too hard or they can't easily refute, so it is not equivalent to bathroom scribbles.

Recent example just found today (not my post).

https://i.imgur.com/0Xkslke.jpeg

A lot of people think 4chan is one of the last bastions of free speech on the internet because they see a lot of racism that would normally be banned anywhere else.

But if you post something that goes against the alt-right that pisses them off too much and getting a lot of replies, it'll be deleted within minutes, or you'll even get banned for being "off topic".

4chan is not free speech, it is just a haven for the alt-right.

You can get residential ips nowadays. They are much more expensive for an individual, but for a business or nation-state, it is a feasible option.

I can confirm this.

I had packet loss on my server. They asked me several times to reboot my server into rescue mode and leave it there for 10+ hours until their senior technician could look into it at an unspecified time of day.

After a month of doing this 3-4 times, they finally admitted that their switch is overprovisioned and there was no ETA. This problem happened in 2 locations.

Also had a problem with the failover ip failing to move. Again they told me to reboot into rescue mode and leave it like that for hours. No fix.

I've left OVH entirely after being a customer of theirs for over 10 years.

Even now, you can saturate a modern cpu core with only 1 million packets per second.

> The ScyllaDB team prioritized improvements and implemented performant reverse queries, removing the last database blocker in our migration plan.

I wonder how much they paid ScyllaDB to do this before even using ScyllaDB.

Building on someone's platform is a gamble.

It paid off for Mr. Beast.

Maybe it will pay off for you, or maybe you will get banned before you make enough to retire or create another company. This is prime example of survivorship bias.

I don't see how it seems achievable.

Backprop was popularized in 1986. Transformers came out in 2017.

It could be >10-20 years before the next breakthrough comes. Given all the progress so far, these things still don't seem to be learning any logic.

Where did I say I didn't?

I'm not going to pass any judgement on what is reasonable or unreasonable for LLMs, just pointing out that it makes serious mistakes.

Many people here argue that LLMs are able to reason, you can check my post history 3 months ago to see an example of this.

And if you have to double check everything, how much time are you really saving? And is this thing really on track to replace programmers any time soon? Absolutely not.

I use gpt4o and claude 3.5 while coding every day. The rumors on twitter and reddit are accurate.

I constantly run into incorrect answers from the LLMs every day. Just recently I asked whether I needed to reverse the bit shift to mask the upper 24 bits in an IP address on a little endian platform and it incorrectly told me no probably because most of the answers on Google appeared to answer no to similarly phrased questions.

I'm using the latest top paid models, gpt4o and claude 3.5.

They work when there's a lot of examples on github or google, but once you get into something that doesn't have a lot of examples like closed source code or rarely used libraries, it will start hallucinating and even mixing up different API versions to create a mess that doesn't work at all.

I don't believe LLMs will get any better than this without a new major breakthrough, but this is already better than using Google search.

Nobody accepts forks.

Bitcoin is way behind visa because it sucks as a payment system. Have you ever tried buying something in bitcoin?

The fees are insane and nearly all merchants require multiple confirmations which can take over an hour.