No, they do not.
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No, they do not.
Very well, I’ll leave it to you to come up with a more semantically accurate way to describe the essence of, “we’re going to poke around in your genitals under threat of violence”.
> I don’t disagree, but time is a factor in one of the busiest airports in the world with 10+ planes grounded while they wait.
And what exactly prevented the planes from leaving? It would’ve been quite straightforward to give these people an option. Something like, “if you’re comfortable with a physical inspection, you may leave immediately afterwards on your regular flight. If not, we need you to miss this flight while we run the DNA tests and will accommodate your replacement flight and interim stay”. And yes, all costs for such a delay should be covered for the innocent people subjected to it. Don’t tell me Qatar can’t afford it. Being short on time is a poor justification for the decision which was made.
> Is inserting a needle to take blood rape? What about people being seen at a nudist beach?
You’ve gone some way to answer your own questions here, with the key point being consent. People at a nude beach have indeed consented to being seen nude, so it’s all good. If you walk up and try to start putting things in their genitals against their will under threat of violence, it’s still rape.
> In addition, the line for what's ethical, peoples bodily rights etc are different in Qatar - something anyone entering the country has a responsibility to know.
Oh yep, every travel ad helps clarify. “Discover the enchanting beauty of Qatar, where tradition meets modernity. From the dazzling skyline of Doha to the serene sand dunes of the desert, Qatar invites you to a world of unparalleled experiences.
You may be subject to genital inspection under gunpoint at the whim of the state at any time regardless of your involvement in any crimes, but don’t let that stop you! Book a lovely trip to Qatar today!”
They’re always so clear about it. I don’t know how anyone could miss it. The commonly understood expectations for stricter modesty in behavior and apparel are very different than what we’re talking about in this thread.
> You're projecting western values over them and demanding their culture bends to your view.
I have demanded nothing. I have criticized what I view as Qatar’s ridiculous solution to the problem with which they were presented, and others are free to criticize the opinions I hold in turn.
“We’re going to insert something into/inspect your genitals. Do you consent to this?”
“No.”
“We’re doing it anyway at gunpoint.”
Sounds like text book rape to me.
Pretty Orwellian if you feel this is an acceptable approach to apply to innocent people en masse in response to a crime.
Maybe take a lock of hair for a DNA test against the newborn if you’re really that concerned yah?
Now some of the first comment chains people will see are hostile interactions between the author and commenters.
For someone considering adoption of the tool, feature requests, or pull requests, they are likely to consider how communicating with the author might be similarly hostile should disagreements arise.
It is unfortunate people often miss the forest for the trees in PRs and on hacker news with comments like the one to which you replied. It is easy to critique and difficult to create, so having people critique very small aspects of a project you created without acknowledging the actual project itself is irritating, but I still think either ignoring them or providing your rebuttal without malice will always be more effective for evangelizing your work.
In the comment you linked, that post received some similar feedback as well. I hope this did not come across as judgmental. It’s an area I also have worked on in my personal life and this was more so an attempt to share my thoughts about the negative ways this communication style has impacted me before.
Anyways, this project is a cool idea and I have respect for the time and effort you put into it. Wishing you well going forward.
As for the TV analogy, it’s a paid option which still serves ads. YouTube offers a paid option which does not serve ads. Should they ever try to cross the line of charging money and still serving ads then all bets are off.
If it’s within an organization’s means to spend $100k (within means being the key part) to be able to destroy 500 dollar drones in a way that increases the ability to win compared to not having it, then purely from the war perspective, it makes sense.
Of course, the entire concept of war is laden with waste and destruction, so it’s almost never in alignment with the economically and environmentally optimized choice.
The largest militaries have access to such an insane amount of money that almost anything that wins better will be purchased, despite the monetary return not justifying the monetary cost.
In life and death situations, a soldier backed by that money isn’t going to care how much money they wasted. Just that they remain alive and the enemy loses.
Security back doors also carry the risk of having the opposite effect. We’ve seen many examples of powerful, nation state developed tools being leaked online.
There may be a rise in scenarios where people (including children) have their personal devices breached and are extorted for the exact thing the security backdoors were created to prevent.