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canoebuilder··on I’m an Ex-Google Woman Tech Leader and I’m Sick of Our Approach to Diversity
The key point of the Damore memo that many would do well to understand, it does not logically follow to say, "I've identified this "gap," therefore this "gap" is bad and it is caused by the big bad mean oppressive bullies, group X."

So, is the identified "gap" really that bad? No, not really, not much reason to think it's bad at all in many cases. Second, and most importantly, not only is the purported cause of big bad mean oppressive bullies lacking almost entirely in evidence, but there are actual explanations with mountains of evidence.

So what? What's the harm if I believe in one cause over another? People use to do raindances!

The harm is that sticking to an explanation of big bad mean oppressive bullies, means that whole classes of people are being not just accused but punished for "crimes" they did not commit. In fact there is no crime at all.

canoebuilder··on I’m an Ex-Google Woman Tech Leader and I’m Sick of Our Approach to Diversity
the rest of STEM,

not the case

Law

At 35%, women practice law at about double the rate they do of more masculine occupations like engineering, while law practice involves abstract reasoning the degree of "social reasoning" is higher than engineering, thus more women I suppose.

medicine,

particularly the more caretaking functions of medicine

accounting

The work of an accountant and a mechanical engineer, or an information security analyst are hardly comparable, not in a hierarchical way necessarily, they just have totally different goals and methods.

Look at the actual data, it fits Damore's thesis to a T. https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/03/06/chart-the-perce...

There is a very obvious gradient from people and nurturing oriented fields to abstract, spatial, and mechanical fields.

Women like working with people and caretaking, and are good at these things.

Men like working with things, and abstract and spatial visualization, and are good at these things.

Do you think society would materially improve if we swapped the sex ratio kindergarten teachers with that of engineers?

Kindergarten 97.5% women.

Engineers 85% men.

canoebuilder··on Contra Grant On Exaggerated Differences
Let me spell it out. The reason that there is not a percentage of judges equal to the prevelance of women in the population, is due to systemic factors.

Since there are other possible explanations, like men and women having different interests and drives and following different paths in pursuing those interests, there's no tight logical proof dictating that "systemic factors" ipso facto is definitely the cause of the outcome we are evaluating because there are no other possible causes.

There are other possible causes, so given this reality of multiple possible causes, what evidence would suffice to convince you that "systemic factors," aren't the primary cause?

If we want to stick with the premise that "systemic factors" are a problem, what are they specifically? How are the remedied specifically?

If it turns out after following these prescriptions there is still a divergence in the sex ratio, then what? Should we basically just force some number of women to work as judges so that the sex ratio in the field is equal?

There are far more occupations than judge that have a divergent sex ratio, should we work tirelessly to equalize sex ratios for all occupations where this is the case?

If your understanding of "systemic factors" basically means the system of sexual evolutionary history extending over millions of years, then we can agree.

canoebuilder··on The Most Common Error in Media Coverage of the Google Memo
Here's the book, it's an interesting premise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Accomplishment

Murray ranks the leading 4,000 innovators in several fields of human accomplishment from 800 BC to 1950. In each field Murray identifies a number of sources (leading encyclopedias, histories and surveys) providing information about the leading figures in the field. The rankings are made from information in these sources. A raw score is determined based on how many sources mention and on how much space in each source is devoted to a person. Then these raw scores are normalized so that the lowest score is 1 and the highest score is 100. The resulting scores are called "Index Scores".

The book obviously wasn't written with the express purpose of saying "black people have never contributed anything of any worth to music." That's such a ridiculous mischaracterization, as if that was purpose of writing the book, geez...

It's interesting that you and many others trotting out obvious falsehoods these past few days think this is a wise strategy...

It's far more interesting to write about people that have done interesting, impactful, world-changing things. And that's what he wrote about, he didn't set out to write nor did he write the most boring book he could write, he wrote an interesting book about interesting people, actions, and ideas.

If the book doesn't have enough "diversity" for your taste,

No written language was ever devised in sub-Saharan Africa prior to outside influences.

There is no indigenous tonal music tradition in sub-Saharan Africa, apart from maybe singing. The only instruments native to the continent are unpitched percussion.

The wheel was never invented in Africa.

Sometimes reality is just reality.

canoebuilder··on Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity
I think diversity is not exactly an end in and on itself, but a way to reduce general inequality.

So it's basically a shakedown.

general economic/social power of women

History and stats don't back up the image of women as some horribly oppressed group at least in western society.

And I am tired seeing this pitted as some kind of battle. The vast majority of people don't feel this way. Men and women are meant to, and do work together for their own mutual benefit and the benefit of succeeding generations.

And they work together in complementary ways, it is silly and destructive to think of the sexes as interchangeable.

canoebuilder··on Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity
incredible lack of critical reading ability

When factoring in all the egregiously false headlines, news stories, tweets, etc. about this I think what is really going on is not lack of critical reading ability, but rather some people's willingness to tell outright lies and willful misrepresentations when someone points out aspects of reality that these falsehood peddlers would prefer didn't exist for whatever reason.

canoebuilder··on Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity
Who wants to discuss the suppression of content on HN?

163 pts in 37 mins, but flagged off the front page as soon as it appeared.

Does the number of flags required to trip the [flagged] trigger increase with the number of points and speed of those points on a story?

If not, why not?

Yes one could say rapid point accrual on a story of this nature is telling of a hot-button issue that and thus likely to create discussion not up to our desired standards.

But what I think is really being shown here is that this is an issue many feel is in much need of attention and the fact that a small group can just flag these so quickly when the rest of the community is saying this is important seems strange.

canoebuilder··on Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity
Some people seem to have an unhealthy bias against colorful language when it is used in service of a larger point. But they seem all too happy to use it as a distraction from engaging with the points raised.
canoebuilder··on Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity
I am surprised how big this 'manifesto' got.

Imagine how surreal this must be for Damore.

In regards to the explosive nature of this episode, I think it is indicative of the people who seem to be going progressively more insane's realization that their little social engineering experiments curry no favor in the halls of reality and their misguided efforts are rapidly being washed out to the sea of history while the scattered sand from their tantrums is being transformed by the tide into a nice, orderly and peaceful beach for those of us in the reality-based community to enjoy.

canoebuilder··on Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity
"proportional representation of the population" metric?

Is there some reason the social disrupters only get all frothy mouthed about this in certain areas? Like shouldn't we spend much more time going after the NBA, Fishing, Logging, Elementary teachers, Nurses, etc. because these industries are far more out of "diversity balance."

Are people clamoring for a "proportional representation of the population" metric prepared to fire a whole lot of Asians and Jews at places like Facebook and Google in order to bring these populations more in line with their broader United States society proportions?

canoebuilder··on Government Report Finds Drastic Impact of Climate Change on U.S
We've devised methods to construct a temperature record going back millennia that shows a more or less constantly fluctuating temperature. Wouldn't it be weirder for that to come to a complete standstill?
canoebuilder··on The Google Memo: Four Scientists Respond
So on several readings of this, it sounds like you're saying that corporations should function as some sort of jobs program and that should take precedence over their function as a profit making enterprise and that some groups should have lower expectations placed on them.
canoebuilder··on Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo
And to bring this back around to the utter insanity and disingenuousness that has erupted from this episode, this is a line from the linked article, Ellen Pao’s gender-discrimination lawsuit against Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers in 2015 also brought the issue to light,

Pao's issue was shown to be a non-issue, yet "it brought the issue to light" ok...

I wonder why the author didn't mention the resolution of the lawsuit? I wonder why she mentioned it all? Oh right, peddling falsehoods, both explicitly and implicitly.

canoebuilder··on The Google Memo: Four Scientists Respond
Can you link to one that cares about the apparently highly important matter of "unrepresentative populations" of people interested in coding, and why that is an issue of greater interest than any of the other countless "unrepresentative populations"?

The one's I looked just seemed like a mish mash of meaningless postmodern babble.

What happened to the scholarly tradition of penetrating insight and clarity?

canoebuilder··on Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo
I think you missed his point, he's not saying anything right of center is one short hop away from evil nazis!

He's saying "Isn't it kind of strange that everyone else seems to have completely lost their minds?"

canoebuilder··on The Google Memo: Four Scientists Respond
Is that a thing? or did you just make it up? Can you link a couple .edu departments.

Does this field just care about "unrepresentative populations" of people interested in coding, or do they also care about "unrepresentative populations" of olympic sprinters, fishing boat crews, and kindergarten teachers?

canoebuilder··on The Google Memo: Four Scientists Respond
So differences exist, but those differences don't make any difference?

Do any differences ever make a difference in performance? Like a particular tribe of Kenyans utterly dominate distance running events, west Africans utterly dominate sprinting events what accounts for those differences?

What's lost in all this and that I have seen zero evidence presented for is that I am in no way convinced that the population groups that are "under-represented" as software professionals have much interest in being software professionals.

Whatever differences in capacity that may exist among groups the differences in interests are surely just as big or bigger.

canoebuilder··on The Google Memo: Four Scientists Respond
They would, "Software is an IQ business." - Bill Gates

The fact that google is well known for seeking out the most intelligence and talented, and the fact that Asians and Jews are highly "over-represented" among googlers if one were to extrapolate a random population sample as being the only SJW approved workforce, the fact that these two groups are so over-represented implies that... Jews and Asians tend towards smarter rather than dumber, which anyone paying attention has kind of noticed.

canoebuilder··on The Google Memo: Four Scientists Respond
the field of diversity

uh? What? What is that? Define 'diversity.'

canoebuilder··on Proof of Work Without All the Work
which has considerable potential social value, easily comparable to the cost of it.

The value is 'potential,' the cost is real.

What evidence or milestones are there to indicate this considerable potential social value panning out is increasingly more or less likely? What exactly is the social value that the average HNer could perceive firsthand, rather than some mythical "unbanked" or whatever?

How long has bitcoin been around, a decade? Has anyone putting it to use in a sustainable, self-perpetuating use case that isn't a dark market or ransomware?

canoebuilder··on Proof of Work Without All the Work
I see the reasoning, especially from one steeped in the coinosphere, but this one seems best classed as very unlikely.

Currency exchange is a solved problem with costs and overhead that is very likely much less than going into the "securing the blockchain" business, even as a side gig.

How much "securing" would they need to do anyway? Just a little to help them sleep at night?

Not to pick on you particularly, but in general there is so much mushiness and hand waving in the coin space about what exactly is the value proposition other than to the person selling you the coin at a profit.

canoebuilder··on Google Grapples with Fallout After Employee Slams Diversity Efforts
If all these things were true, shouldn't they be demonstrably obvious to everybody, such that their brightly shining obviousness would handily over power whatever -phobia or -ism du jour you think you are battling.

If they were so obviously true why aren't societies' and biologies' natural optimization mechanisms making them unmistakably and obviously true?

If it's really the case that women will do equal work for %X less money than men, why hasn't any organization capitalized on this by hiring only women and drastically reduced their costs?

But if word got out on this strategy thanks to you and your comrades tireless efforts then demand for this cheaper labor would go up and thus it's price would rise.

hmm... this claim seems counter to what we know about market economics.

If it's really the case that "diverse" teams(what's the definition of "diverse"?) are so superior to other configurations, then why aren't the Snaps, Bings, and HTCs of the world making it their number one priority to "diversify" and then demonstrating the shining obviousness of the "diverse" claim by successfully taking on the big bad "undiverse" market leaders.

Why do you think it is the purview of SJW brigades to bring these truths on the world when nature otherwise does a pretty good job of revealing her truths.

Maybe they aren't true.

canoebuilder··on Proof of Work Without All the Work
What interest does a government or large corporation have in cryptocurrency?

This is why cryptos as currently implemented will always be fringe and used for the most part illicitly, because as soon they gain a wide enough currency the participants in the system will switch to a more efficient, i.e. centralized system.

If enough people use them that a government or large corp would care, those "enough people" would form a new government or become the customers a new corp, that facilitates their transactions in a more efficient way.

...and a touch ironic that you seem to be pining for TBTF cryptos when Satoshi himself railed against the TBTF system.

canoebuilder··on The cognitive differences between men and women
The second quote sounds like the shoddy/fictitious work of someone attempting to push an agenda with the discredited notion of "stereotype threat."

3d rotation sex differences present themselves as early as infancy. https://www.google.com/search?q=infants+3d+rotation+sex+diff...

canoebuilder··on Show HN: $200 Solar Self-Sufficiency  Without Your Landlord Noticing
It's a sealed lead acid(SLA) battery which is different from a wet/flooded battery, which do require periodic topping off with water and ventilation.

For a project like this, SLA is the way to go.

https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/175649/are-s...

canoebuilder··on Y Combinator raising $1B for new fund
If YC had invested $20k in every startup that applied, they'd still have caught Airbnb and Dropbox, and would be quite successful.

Some quick googling shows YC acceptance rate at ~3% let's call it 5%.

So that means 20x the capital expenditure in investments, that's going to put a damper on returns(provided the company picking prowess for a round was somewhere not to distant from optimal). Even if profitability could be theoretically maintained with these shifted numbers, it really couldn't.

The value proposition of YC is the exclusivity and the individual attention the partners can give the companies. With the exclusivity entirely gone and partner attention massively diminished YC would obviously not be YC as we know it.

It would not be anything as we know it. An institution that invests in everyone that applies? wtf is that? it doesn't exist. The closest thing might be the sub-prime mortgage bubble and we saw how that worked out.

canoebuilder··on A hacker stole $31M of Ether – how it happened, and what it means for Ethereum
Well it's not really an alternative, it's just reality at the moment, so long as smart contracts are more theory than practical.

What if trust is a feature not a bug? Why is it something we need to engineer around?

canoebuilder··on Ethereum from scratch – Part 1: Ping
That's a good lesson for me when wondering whether to include something, to leave it out.

Maybe, you'd like to address the questions I raised and points of logic I made rather than the snark.

canoebuilder··on Ethereum from scratch – Part 1: Ping
So simply, what's the point?

How is it better than existing methods for doing whatever you envision doing with it?

What if anything, does it enable that would otherwise be impossible?

So you've got nothing?

"Ha-ha! Why would I use PayPal when these smart contract blockchains technologies have been working well for many years?"

So instead you go to one of the future's several competing smart contract platforms

Simply positing a future scenario is not an argument for it's likelihood.

Why do I need a massively parallel system with enough energy to power a city to do this when I could just do it manually, or write a script to do it and run it locally? If one of the donators doesn't trust me or my code, then they can just donate to wherever directly.

I don't even get your scenario, what value is there in me/my contract being an intermediary between my fans and these other organizations? (and isn't GitHub a for profit company? Why would you donate money to them?)

canoebuilder··on A hacker stole $31M of Ether – how it happened, and what it means for Ethereum
Just in case lordnacho's meaning here isn't clear to anyone.

testing a bit with short keys.

He's put some bitcoin into wallets with keys/passwords that don't meet very high security standards.

I've already lost a tiny amount of BTC

He's then lost that bitcoin because there are programs running running around the clock to programatically empty any wallets with passwords that don't meet very high standards of security.

Thus,

Can you imagine what the world would be like if every time you left your wallet for 10 seconds, it vanished?

But this is the "trustless" world you signed up for right?

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