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You guys are really confused about what atproto has to do with Bluesky and how much of the protocol is developed by or managed through Bluesky.

It really seems you all think the only company or community doing anything on atproto is Bluesky, when that couldn’t be further from the truth.

Have you even paid attention to what’s happening lately?

That’s not going to be true for much longer.

> Nobody is making this argument because this is a normal thing that companies do. It's so common it is named in business strategy: "commoditize your complements."

It is common in business strategy, far less so in nation-state governance.

The reason you, me, and so many people in the United States still have a far better quality of life and level of freedom than most people in China is because it’s bad to run a country like a business, full stop. When you do so, you kill far more people.

Lolololololololol

One person can a corporation be.

“Work” is not the same as “job that your ability to live is dependent on.”

I can do a lot of work and contribute to society without having a job. In fact, that’s how I think it should be for everyone.

No jobs. Universal income. People doing things they love.

Where are the hard facts about this? If you know them why haven’t you shared them?

No, because you cannot prove that any individual book actually contributed meaningfully to Anthropic’s profit.

Exclude one book from the training dataset.

Did you make a worse model?

We actually know the answer to this, and it is: absolutely not.

The reality is this: your intellectual output is almost always only valuable to any company in existence in aggregate, never in isolation.

So you now believe fair use should not exist?

THANK YOU! And the idea that copyright actually helps individuals is such bullshit I can’t even believe anyone believes it! On a site filled with free software advocates.

Absurd.

For anyone who thinks the problem is Anthropic, I want you all to know that most authors make less than the median income. Most make less than $20,000 a year, because publishing houses give authors an advance, and then authors must pay back that entire advance in sales before they see a dollar of profit from their work.

Most never do.

Maybe publishers should JUST pay authors WELL, and get a book every 2-3 years.

https://authorsguild.org/news/key-takeaways-from-2023-author...

No, it’s proof purchase of how stupid the publishing industry is. Maybe publishing houses should just pay authors good money, like a goddamn salary, and get a book out of them every few years.

All of it.

Death to copyright, which has always been far more harmful to small authors and creators than it has even been to large companies.

Because the scale of the subsidization is unimaginably different.

If this is your problem, I hate to say it, but it’s a skill issue on your side. I didnt even start developing software until LLMs even though I know all the primitives quite well and have a strong grasp of architecture. ADHD, perfection, and focus got in the way. I’m writing a pretty complex application and I don’t have the problems you’re running into. I regularly have my code reviewed by professional devs to ensure I’m not just vibecoding into slop. I’m not. I also read my code regularly and do a lot of exercises and courses to keep learning as well.

So I dunno what to say, except it’s possible to write really solid code with LLMs.

> They reinvented a worse Twitter (it failed)

Bluesky has 9-11x times the number of total users as Twitter did three years after its launch. It has somewhere between 15-20x the number of MAUs as Twitter had. It has not failed even a little bit.

> Now they're trying to reinvent a worse GitHub (not off to a great start)

You seem to think this is the same group of people who started Bluesky. You’re wrong. Not only that, you’ve failed to name how Tangled is a worse Github when the burden of proof is on you.

> Abandon AT proto - dumb idea, all empty ego on the part of the creators, no utility for the masses

Curious that the number of atproto accounts and users only seems to be growing, because that’s not what I’d expect if there was no utility for the masses.

Congratulations! You’re an adult on a website. If you do t know what something means, you have the ability to click the link and learn, which would’ve taken you far less time than this pointless snarky comment that’s been made so many times already.

At least try being original.

No it’s not! You’re just spouting falsehoods now.

This is incorrect. You don’t have to host your own tangled appvew to log into tangled without having your atproto account on Bluesky’s PDSes.

You CAN host your own Tangled AppView. You CAN host your own knot. You DO NOT have to in order to self host your own PDS. Each of these layers are decentralized from the other.

Depends on the type of moderation. Most moderation, which happens via labels on Bluesky, doesn’t prevent you from logging into your account. That would require a full suspension or ban, which is much rarer. And, as others have noted, you could just move to a different PDS. You don’t even have to self-host!

Issues and PR content are absolutely social artifacts, as they communicate information to others, whether opened by the repo owner or not. In fact, other people can interact with them, and are supposed to do so, which makes them even more inherently social.

Weird, I host exactly one thing (my PDS) and I am not at all tied to Bluesky for my login to keep working. Everything else is already publicly hosted by MANY others.

As someone who very likely has far more personal experience with the particular atrocities committed by the United States in all its forms, yeah, I do.

Buddy, you’re the one who jumped out of the tech box. Name a Chinese company, and the conversation is equivalent. Say “the Chinese,” and you’ve expanded to the entire country and arguably all people from China.

Learn to be precise with your language.

> - content not in line with the political left is censored

Can you provide examples to me of this being true?

Wait, how do you think these two things relate, exactly, and how does it point in the direction of “Bluesky has so much control”?

Thats a claim with zero evidence put forward, and one that if evidence were put forward, would swing the opposite way.

What do you mean by “explicitly designed to not be compatible with ActivityPub”? What proof do you have for that other than “it doesn’t use ActivityPub”?

And you can’t tone police a standard. That’s very weird.

You’ve got to be kidding me. Last I checked, Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google haven’t systematically exterminated an entire culture of people.

Please provide examples, because this sounds highly speculative, and also straight up incorrect!

You’re not. You’re reaping the consequences of your previous decisions as a community.