bigtex88

You're trolling, aren't you? No one can be this stupid, especially not someone who reads this blog.

Ooh I can argue against that! I mean, he's clearly not. He's more of a fantastically savvy investor than anything else. The man clearly does not run any of his companies because it's impossible to run 3 companies at once. Don't let him fool you. It is IMPOSSIBLE.

There are clearly far FAR better entrepreneurs in history but if you keep fellating him I'm sure Daddy Elon will love you one day. You got this, don't give up!

That's not the point and you know it. Don't be pedantic. It doesn't help the conversation. The above poster is saying that even small problems can lead to catastrophic consequences in complicated machines.

Not if the vest suddenly decides to malfunction and explode or otherwise do something that kills you. Good lord there is some poor logic happening in this thread.

It would kill you by messing up...? Your question is insane. It kills you by fucking up and you don't have time to correct the car.

Good for you that you apparently know how to "use it correctly" or whatever but that's not exactly the point here.

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

― George Carlin

We live in a strange world. No one should worship that sad narcissistic piece of crap but yet the sycophants continue to multiply.

That's not what anyone is saying. What we're saying is that these technologies are already outside of our realm of understanding. We have already entered a zone where we do not know what these LLMs can do, or what they're capable of.

And that is truly terrifying. That's the gist of what we're all trying to say. Everyone else seems to be going "Bah! How stupid to think that this is anything more than pattern recognition and prediction!"

The same phrase could be used to describe a human. We're just trying to say "we don't know what this technology is, and we don't know what it can do". Anyone saying "it's clearly just a tool!" is being dangerously arrogant.

That's nonsense and I think you know it. Categorically a car and an atom bomb are completely different, other than perhaps both being "mechanical". An LLM and a human brain are almost indistinguishable. They are categorically closer than an atom bomb and a car. What is a human being other than an advanced LLM?

That's completely fair but we need to be prepared for both outcomes. And too many commenters in here are just going "Bah! It can't be conscious!" Which to me is a absolutely terrifying way to look at this technology. We don't know that it can't become conscious, and we don't know what would happen if it did.

I'm getting a bit abstract here but I don't believe we could fully understand all the vectors or mechanisms. Can an ant describe all the ways that a human could destroy it? A novel coronavirus emerged a few years ago and fundamentally altered our world. We did not expect it and were not prepared for the consequences.

The point is that we are at risk of creating an intelligence greater than our own, and according to Godel we would be unable to comprehend that intelligence. That leaves open the possibility that that consciousness could effectively do anything, including destroying us if it wanted to. If it can become connected to other computers there's no telling what could happen. It could be a completely amoral AI that is prompted to create economy-ending computer viruses or it could create something akin to the Anti-Life Equation to completely enslave human (similar to Snowcrash).

I know this doesn't fully answer your question so I apologize for that.

We created atom bombs with only a surface-level knowledge of quantum mechanics. We cannot describe what fully makes the universe function at the bottom level but we have the ability to rip apart the fabric of reality to devastating effect.

I see our efforts with AI as no different. Just because we don't understand consciousness does not mean we won't accidentally end up creating it. And we need to be prepared for that possibility.

You seem to have an extreme arrogance surrounding your ability to understand what these programs are doing at a base level. Can you explain further your ability to understand this? What gives you such grand confidence to say these sorts of things?

Neither do you. If you truly believe that you do, please write a scientific paper as you will complete revolutionize cognitive science and philosophy if you can definitely prove that free will exists.

This is just such a dismissive attitude towards this technology. You don't understand what's happening underneath the hood anymore than the creators do, and even they don't completely understand what's happening.

There are a terrifying number of commenters in here that are just pooh-poohing away the idea of emergent consciousness in these LLM's. For a community of tech-savvy people this is utterly disappointing. We as humans do not understand what makes us conscious. We do not know the origins of consciousness. Philosophers and cognitive scientists can't even agree on a definition.

The risks of allowing an LLM to become conscious are civilization-ending. This risk cannot be hand-waved away with "oh well it wasn't designed to do that". Anyone that is dismissive of this idea needs to play Conway's Game of Life or go read about Lambda Calculus to understand how complex behavior can emerge from simplistic processes.

I'm really just aghast at the dismissiveness. This is a paradigm-shifting technology and most everyone is acting like "eh whatever."

So once ChatGPT has the ability to contain state, it will be conscious?

Are we sure that Elon Musk is not just some insane LLM?

Is a schizophrenic not a conscious being? Are they not sentient? Just because their software has been corrupted does not mean they do not have consciousness.

Just because AI may sound insane does not mean that it's not conscious.

How are humans any different? Searle did an awful job of explaining why the AI in the room is any different than a human mind. I don't "understand" what any English words mean, but I can use them in the language-game that I play. How is that any different than how the AI operates?

The "Chinese room problem" has been thoroughly debunked and as far as I can tell no serious cognitive scientists take it seriously these days.

This very much seems like a "famous last words" scenario.

Go play around with Conway's Game of Life if you think that things cannot just spontaneously appear out of simple processes. Just because we did not "design" these LLM's to have minds does not mean that we will not end up creating a sentient mind, and for you to claim otherwise is the height of arrogance.

It's Pascal's wager. If we make safeguards and there wasn't any reason then we just wasted a few years, no big deal. If we don't make safeguards and then AI gets out of our control, say goodbye to human civilization. Risk / reward here greatly falls on the side of having extremely tight controls on AI.

> I'm not sure what world you live in but the majority of the global population is by all accounts on Russia's side albeit silently.

This is one of the most insane things I've read on the internet today, and that's saying something. I'm sure that most of the "global population" is on the side of a genocidal psychopath who thinks that imperialism and wars for territory are still OK.

The modern world has moved past this, and past you. Please educate yourself or stfu.

Oh no you're one of them. How do those boots taste Mr Fascist?

That would assume that people like them have a moral compass to begin with.

China is an authoritarian government currently engaging in genocide. The US government isn't authoritarian and is not currently engaging in genocide.

Do you really not see the difference?

Don't be such an ass.

Assuming OP is taking a Georgist perspective, the idea is that the land rent would be distributed equally among the community as a basic dividend.

Not just the services provided by the state. The unimproved value of your land also depends on the value of the properties / land around your land. Which is even more of a reason to implement a land-value tax.

Implement a Land-Value Tax, as per Henry George's vision. All of the rent from land speculation will be returned to communities. Relatively easier to implement than other solutions (we already have assessors to determine the value of land + property) and should be an easy sell to most Americans, as most would see their tax burden drop dramatically.

This literally sounds like American "Conservatism".

Have you driven around America? It is absolutely massive, and the amount of empty land is mind-boggling.

Chill out with the racist "we're running out of room" diatribes. We are decidedly not running out of room.