beerbaron23

I ran your box benchmark at 1000 boxes and all browsers were able to sustain 60fps quite easily on my system.

Firefox, Chromium, Chrome, Safari and Opera on OSX

I guess the difference between Windows, Linux and OSX builds come with their own special quirks that break it for a percentage of people.

Have you given the Developers edition of Firefox a go? https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/developer/

Yah and that's why I included 3 very real world heavy benchmarks that run random multiple real world usage patterns for extended periods of time. An those were the benchmarks that Firefox pulled a head of the pack by a large margin. The basic Java Benchmarks like Sunspider and Ocatane that useless tech sites use to compare the browsers test nothing more then the Java engines of the browsers, pushing numbers while omitting the browsers respected renderers completely.

If we are comparing Chromiums V8 Java engine vs Firefox's Spidermonkey then Chromiums V8 is faster, but would you even be able to tell the difference?

Now day to day usability I am forced to use Firefox because I'm a tab whore and constantly run 80 tabs at all times. When I try doing that with other browsers they choke within an hour to up-to 2 days. Firefox allows me to run ~80 tabs with up-times approaching 2 months regularly. But that's the way I use my browser, other people would care about other features more.

Now of coarse different builds on different OS's you will run into different problems. On my Debian stable box, Firefox doesn't play nice and I'm forced to use Chromium, but on Ubuntu, Firefox performs solid. Now the main reason Firefox is running like ass on some systems is due to having old extensions installed, which forces Firefox to drop HW acceleration and fall back into compatibility mode. The Problem on my Debian box is that Firefox is not loading the WebGL2 drivers (gives me a bad driver error), thus HW acceleration is broken and it runs like ass.

You can confirm this on your install by typing in "about:support" in the address bar. If you are running 51.0.1 you can see if Electrolysis is enabled by looking at the line "Multiprocess Windows 1/1 (Enabled by user)" if yours reports "0/1 (Disabled)" then a shitty extension is forcing it in compatibility mode. You can manually force it on and type "about:performance" to see what extension is the culprit.

Also in "about:support" take a look at the Graphics table, your Compositing should be OpenGL and your WebGL renders should be the name of your GPU without a reported error. You can also "refresh" Firefox at the top right of the page, but if you can't get HW acceleration in FF then use Chromium of coarse, but if you can solve the problem quickly you will have another powerful tool to tackle the web and I'd like to know how it Performs in Arch.

Plus, since you are working with WebGL content it would be great to get Firefox working, cause at the moment Firefox is almost 4x as fast as Chromium on WebGL2 Unity3D.

But when they roll out their Servo Renderer late this year everyone will be singing a different tune. Firefox is already faster then Chrome with the Electrolysis update, but Servo is rendering completely on the GPU. I just tested the the dev build of Servo and it's so fast it almost kicked my dick off!

Servo has been in Dev for 5 years, so if google isn't working on something to compete with that, Firefox is going to completely dominate the web for years.

in about:support is your GPU composting enabled under graphics? I would recommend to refresh Firefox on that screen as well. Also you can check "about:performance" to see which extension is fucking you over.

I would recommend using adblock plus instead, as it is many leagues faster than UBlock Origin in Firefox since version 48 I believe (They optimized their code with Mozilla a couple months ago). Just make sure you go into the adblock plus filter preferences and uncheck "Allow some non-intrusive advertising" problem solved.

If your a power tab user, then Firefox is the only browser that can keep up with the 80 or so tabs I always have running, other browsers will will halt to a crawl if I attempted that, either immediately or within a couple days. Firefox allows me to power tab my way through a couple months before I have to restart it, it's just that good.

But there are people that experience the opposite and it's usually due to a shitty extension they have installed. Firefox will fall back to software and disable HW acceleration if an extension is coded like dogwood. In that case the user should check in "about:support" to make sure their GPU HW composting is enabled, that's usually the culprit. "about:performance" will list the extension that's causing the performance issue. Another issue is that Firefox has a hard time rendering Facebook in comparison to other browsers, since most people have Facebook loaded at all times it would for sure give them the illusion that Firefox is slow. I am still looking for a solution for that issue...

I'm betting it's your addon's/extensions/plugins causing the problem. A bad extension can bring Firefox down to it's knee's just like anything else programmed by Auntie Thelma.

Download Firefox 51.0.1 then in the URL box type "about:support" then look for the line that says "Multiprocess Windows - 1/1 (Enabled by User)" that indicates whether electrolysis is enabled. If it says "0/1 disabled" you will have to manually enable it.

Next you want to check to make sure your WebGL, WebGL2 and GPU rendering is accelerated under Graphics. If that's all good and your GPU is listed, go scroll up to the top right and click "Refresh Firefox"

when you restart it, go back into "about:support" and make sure everything is loading fine. Then you can head over to test it out http://beta.unity3d.com/jonas/WebGLBenchmark/ and then you should behold the power! Firefox should benchmark and run websites very noticeably faster than other browsers. The only exception is Firefox's inability to render forum list heavy sites (It chokes on them), so all other browsers will out perform it on Facebook, Flickr and 500px for the time being until that gets fixed. In fact if you are a heavy Facebook user, Safari performs the best with it, and if your on Windows then Opera gives the best Facebook performance. You can also type in "about:performance" to get a rundown if any plugins are fucking you around.

Also if you want to get to the root of the problem, when you install Firefox 51.0.1 in the URL bar type "about:support"

It will list HW acceleration info. You want to make sure electrolysis is running, in the line "Multiprocess Windows: 1/1 (Enabled by user)" should be enabled by default, if it says 0/1 it not active and you will have to manually turn it on.

You can also see if the WebGL renderer is loading properly. On my Debian box it says WebGL2 creation failed (drivers), which would explain my poor performance on that box.

It's worth a shot since Firefox's WebGL rendering is 4x faster then other browsers, it's worth your time taking a quick check.

> it is impossible to recommend Firefox in any case, because it performs so poorly compared to Chrome ...

See that's some odd misinformation that's been spread around since Chrome first was released, it was the fastest browser at the time. Well since then, Chrome and Firefox have been going back and forth on which is the fastest. At this moment Firefox is a good margin faster than Chrome since their Electrolysis update.

So yah, I'm not sure why all this "Firefox is super slow" keeps getting passed around without anything to back it up. In fact for WebGL Firefox is over 3 times faster than Chrome, so if anything Chrome is actually the old slow dog.

Current benchmark for proof: https://www.dropbox.com/s/58doo8csebp9l62/Bench.pdf?dl=0

Linux is another beast, on my Ubuntu box Firefox gives similar performance to OSX. But on my Debian stable box Chromium plays a lot better with it and the Firefox build feels like it has a gremlin in it haha.

> I just couldn't justify slower speeds and much poorer performance overall anymore... once Mozilla kills off XPCOM and XUL-based addons, there won't be any real reasons left to use Firefox.

Well now you don't have to, Firefox is now faster than Chrome by a huge margin with the 51.0.1 Electrolysis update.

Proof: https://www.dropbox.com/s/58doo8csebp9l62/Bench.pdf?dl=0

If you are a power tab user, there is no match, you have to use Firefox.

You are correct with your experiences, Firefox and Safari are now quite quick compared to Chrome, sometimes 3x as fast.

If you are on a Macbook using battery power I highly suggest using Safari due to it's power consumption profile, your battery will last way longer.

My latest benchmarks: https://www.dropbox.com/s/58doo8csebp9l62/Bench.pdf?dl=0

You really should use Firefox if you are a heavy WebGL user, Firefox is 3 times as fast as Chrome now on Unity3D, an it's the complete opposite, Chrome is more snappy with Java and Firefox with animations/Graphics.

Here is my latest benchmark as solid proof: https://www.dropbox.com/s/58doo8csebp9l62/Bench.pdf?dl=0

So true there is way more to the browser than the java script engine. So I ran ye old browser showdown on my comp (Fresh everything). Firefox and Chrome are very similar in speed with Java benchmarks, but once you get into the "real-world" type benchmarks, Firefox was faster by a large margin and was almost 3x as fast as Chrome in some tests.

You can take a look at my results here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/58doo8csebp9l62/Bench.pdf?dl=0

Each browser has it's strengths and weaknesses it seems, So I run all of them lol For my day to day tab filled behemoth I have to use Firefox, any other browser can't handle the ~80 tabs I have open at once.

In fact me and my roommate have on going challenges on how many tabs we can keep open and up times of the browsers/OS's (He is on Win7). During our battles we have tried tweaking some things and using odd browsers and such, but to be competitive with one another we have to each use Firefox cause it just has that much better memory management/stability.

Oh yes, keeping up with technologies on your own time doesn't count for shit unless you were utilizing it on the job. Experience is what they are basing all their interviews on, an since most people embellish on what they can do during the interview and on their CV, you better be prepared to embellish as well or you will loose every time.

Timing and luck count for a lot. You won the shit job lottery that's difficult to recover from, not to mention your anxiety/autism that will hurt your chances as well.

I am only a couple weeks away from moving back in with my mother as I can't find any work and also am loosing everything, I'm a 35 year old man moving back with his mother, back to the same city I left 7 years ago to improve my life. I have even applied to a previous employer close to my mother that treated me so horribly it was the main reason I left that town in the first place.

On the positive side all I have now is this computer I'm writing on, a DSLR camera and a cell phone. So I am able to get up and go anywhere in the world possible I guess, no GF to discuss that over.

And yes alcohol sure does work, an I can't even afford that anymore.

But honestly if you keep plugging away at it, you are going to get the timing right for once (laws of probability), be in the right place at the right time and the course of life changes. This thought is one of the only things preventing me from ending everything.

This is good advice right here... timing, body language and when to push and when to give space.

Firefox is/has been faster than Chrome for a while

Why do people assume Firefox is insanely slow like general knowledge, solely based on what? benchmarks from 5 years ago?!?

Time to wake-up, Firefox is as fast as Chrome and in some cases 3x as fast. Skeptical? well I bench-marked all these browsers and see for your-self, there is more to a browser than Java performance solely in Octane!

LINK TO PDF FOR EASIER READ: https://www.dropbox.com/s/58doo8csebp9l62/Bench.pdf?dl=0

Browsers:

Firefox 51.0.1

Chromium 58

Chrome: 56

Safari 10

Opera 42

Test Machine:

OSX El Capitan 10.11.6

Intel i5 Haswell 4440 3.1 GHZ

16GB Ram

Crucial SSD

MSi nVidia GTX 560 Ti 1GB

Benchmarks listed from fastest to slowest

Google Octane 2.0 Java:

Chromium V8: 29,615

Opera V8: 29,371

Firefox SpiderM: 27,273

Chrome: 27,191

Safari Nitro: 21,219

JetStream JavaScript:

Safari Nitro: 189

Chrome V8: 182

Chromium V8: 173

Opera V8: 171

Firefox SpiderM: 154

Kraken SunSpider Java:

Safari Nitro: 916

Chrome V8: 953

Chromium V8: 954

Firefox SpiderM: 1029

Opera V8: 1032

Speedometer Webapps Response (“To-Do” list Item interaction) Facebook Heavy:

Safari: 119

Opera: 111

Chrome: 106

Chromium: 97

Firefox: 52

MotionMark (Animation of complex scenes):

Safari: 454

Firefox: 175

Opera: 67

Chromium: N/A (1st test; Crashed, 2nd test; tab froze)

Chrome: N/A Froze twice

Google RoboHornet “All-Aspects” Real World Dynamic Living Benchmark:

Firefox: 68,580

Opera: 41,392

Chromium: 29,647

Chrome: 16,860

Safari: 29,241

Futuremark Peacekeeper Real World Benchmark:

Firefox: 5802

Chromium: 4632

Chrome: 2872

Opera: 2728

Safari: 1259

WebXPRT HTML5 +Java (Encryption, Photo & Spreadsheet):

Firefox: 567

Safari: 516

Chromium: 484

Chrome: 434

Opera: 364

Unity3D WebGL:

Firefox: 93,663

Safari: 44,176

Opera: 25,277

Chromium: 21,693

Chrome: 20,215

Adobe Flash Ultra Gaming Test (3 Pass, Medium, Heavy & Ultra)

Firefox NPAPI: 19,913 FPS: 60-57-23

Opera PPAPI: 19,000 FPS: 60-50-17

Chrome PPAPI: 18,525 FPS: 60-46-16

Safari: Not Tested

Chromium: Not Tested

I think it can be both or a combination of them. For me it was defiantly a chemical imbalance. One day my mind decided to bail with no real reason and I finally understood how depressed people just can't start a spark of motivation without the feeling of oncoming paralyzing dread.

When you get into this situation it just snowballs and the main factor when you do actually get an interview for a good job they ask you why you been out of work so long.

When it comes time to choose the employee for the job, no matter how well you did in that interview they will be thinking if he is the right choice: "how come he can't find work? we must be missing a red flag on this person that other employers are noticing. Let's choose the 2nd best as a more secure option so that we don't look like idiots."

I too was suckered into an underpaying tech job startup where I was promised of quick advancement. Instead I got taken advantage of and have yet to recover from this mistake.

The struggle continues...

True, but also they can help a great deal and shouldn't be ruled out. Shouldn't be the automatic answer either.

That's pretty much the story over here...

* Having someone that is able to listen and relate too is very important, especially someone you can build a relationship on that genuinely cares.

* Having a purpose. depression is sometimes based on the fact that the person has no purpose, no one to impress, no one that needs/appreciate the help they can give.

* Having a method where people can meet and build small common goals for the day/week in smaller groups (5 or less) would really help.

* Exercise, healthy eating and creativity.

* A job = some sort of purpose, so employment.

* Getting a routine.

* Sun/Vitamin D

* Building a positive and useful environment around themselves.

* Being part of something that has some meaning, like if they would not attend/be there it will not advance without them. This makes them important and the feeling of having a purpose to get out of bed.

* Anything that makes you laugh.