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Surely flipping burgers is a step up from Java coding? Asking if they want fries with that is better than having to endure the shit-fest of eclipse, and the horrors of Java development

Speaking of working conditions, food for thought when you need that next apple shiny product:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3582640/

Wait till hex is filled with crap like gems are today. The Rails programmers are coming to elixir as it had already been called the new Rails, and they will follow the pragprog book to it the new promised land.

If you enjoyed early adopter status in elixir phoenix, wait till it is Rails mk 2. It will suck big time.

So django gets it right. Laravel and symfony seem to get it right, yesod for Haskell gets it right - basically Rails is pretty awful, always was, but the crowd got caught up in five minute blogs and shiny magic to question the questionable insecure code, the rather suspect architecture.

Come to Rio - watch the Olympians swim in the very dirty water they promised to clean but didn't! Catch zika, then fill out the police and insurance forms after you get robbed! Seriously though, Rio is a very very dangerous place to visit even for brasileros, let alone tourists, and the zika and chinkungya virus outbreaks are not helping either.

Watch it on TV, from far away.

To be fair, given the quality of the code from most Rails developers, the gems are more like turds than hairballs.

Rails codebases do not age well, and are always unpleasant to work on. I never saw the same issue with django codebases of a similar age. Nor even ones from Perl or PHP frameworks either.

No. It is a special combination of the shiny insecure magic of Rails, mixed with the happy meal mentality and abilities of most Rails developers.

Sure now it is Rails 5 - enterprise Rails strikes back! Seriously though, I am looking forward to Rails 8 - with the ActionSecurityHolePipeline.

Ruby gems in particular host a lot of abandonware and basically little turds that entice "I read pragprog, watch screencasts, and am now leet Rails dev!" Folks into using them with the promise of easy Lego style coding. It never ends well.

Where from Rails? Anywhere looks better - personally, our firm uses falcon on python and lightweight Go web services with native std libs, and it works very well.

Actually O'Reilly published a good book on Rails in the early days 'enterprise rails', which was a very well written book.

The pragprog web books seem to be a bell weather, the shiny web crowd flowed into Rails, node and soon probably phoenix. The early start and promise and phoenix will soon sink under the weight once hex packages bloat in number like the festering turds within ruby gems.

If you learn a library, you will always be in the driving seat. If you learn a framework, well, better buckle up, because it is a bumpy ride.

Frameworks are like hamburgers at maccy ds - consumption for the masses, no thinking required. Later in life those decisions can be a problem.

I remember early Rails, around 0.13, pre RC, the community was small the future seemed bright. Little did we know the horrors of what it would turn into. Most of the professional people left when they saw the security circus, the endless holes and design flaws.

I learnt then - avoid any web framework which has pragprog pushing a book behind it. The new one to avoid because the masses are already circling around it is 'phoenix', and sure enough, pragprog is hawking a book on it.

Whereas "me too" filler comments signal something of substance, shame that signal is not a good one.

I would be glad if apple products supported any network without all the constant disconnects and link level problems. Especially shocking as the BSD underlying stack is robust, it is all the Cupertino crap on top, the "helper" daemons that are to blame!

Good point - we have enough of troutlook, sexchange, internet exploder, and all the other crappy products they hawk.

We don't. Time to get off that train wreck of a platform!

Most fail because clients are lied to. They are shown the high-res print ready Photoshop glossies, and told "yes, you can have this, it will use all these assets. And lots of browser control overriding interactions". Then they try to actually build it, it is slow, uses the whole months bandwidth allowance for the mobile user "my whole 10GB gone? But I only browsed the web..", and will crumble under load.

The real problem is letting designers near the web. They were OK on print, well, a lot of printers had problems with the designers as well. Hmm. Maybe it is just the designers.

The bigger problem with embargoes are the cloudflares of the world, who use it as a marketing angle (as per the post). I think embargoes don't work, won't work, even if well intentioned. Just get the details out, let people take the steps they need/want in the immediate term, and incentivize the parties involved to fix sooner rather than a usual tardy later.

I think a thread being godwin'd on reddit, is like any programming thread on HN getting dragged down into "but, you should use Rust."

Annoying, very annoying, and a hard problem to solve.

Well the lead removal has reduced crime, but the plastic replacement pipes and the hormone disrupting chemicals contained within are certainly having a great effect! Wonder if they will start to chart that?

Errm, how will you open your mind, if you are able to discuss with others, to read challenging ideas, to take on-board another point of view, when you are hermetically sealed in a "safe space"? Surely they are unsafe spaces, as they close off the world, fostering very singular view points?

Trigger warning: University should be about open minds, not closed minds tucked away in "safe spaces".

Agreed - not sure this is a good thing, making code and actions harder to reason about. Another reason to reconsider Rust...

A good point - some updates from apple are again multi-GB.

It is a shame, a second read may have helped.

And this needs to be said more "RCE is possible in Rust", because sometimes it is portrayed in almost unassailable terms.

Holy multi-GB download Batman!

How do developers on slow and metered connection deal with this?

The 'Magick' in this case is less welcome when your system is pwned. Maybe less magic formats and tools will have, I don't know, less vectors for compromise.

We had better options before and after C, yet here we are. Not to piss on Rust's parade, but it may prove not to be the white knight of code hoped for. And I like Rust - I am probably just less emotionally clouded in my view point.

Whereas a friend borrowing his friends car and phone for uber would be an improvement?