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You can also make requests without being a dick and calling people "self appointed X" just because their viewpoint doesn't match yours. Conversation work better that way.

I already did before: Google.

>Are you saying that most people DON'T want to not be abused by their tools?

Firsty, most people don't consider themselves as "being abused" when they use Google Chrome instead of FF, otherwise they wouldn't use it voluntarily in such great numbers. That's just a hill HN and techies love to die on that not representative of the majority.

Secondly, most people (outside of tech) either don't even know they are the product, or they don't even care. See facebook, instagram, X, etc as proof.

Since you're making rude false accusations like that, let me ask you, are you saying most people DON'T want "the best, frictionless and most familiar experience"?

Because I never met anyone who said they wanted a slower jankier less intuitive product than what they used before.

So how was my statement wrong when I said what people want?

>either The People want serious privacy and FOSS commitments

Most people don't care about privacy and FOSS, otherwise Google wouldn't be one of the most valuable companies in the world with some of the most popular products.

To clarify, by "most people" I mean most people in absolute terms, like the ones you when you touch grass, not just those from your HN/tech bubble, those are not "most people".

That's who I was referring to. If you want Chrome to not be a monopoly anymore you'll need to convince gen-pop to switch not just part of HN.

>And it's not much of a sacrifice to use Firefox,

It can be. A few of my most visited websites have issues on FF, and Chrome does page translation far better than FF, which is a must-have for me as I live in a foreign country. Then Chrome's "Image lens" AI search is invaluable for my hobby work.

>Calling yourself a martyr just because you use Firefox for political reasons seems a stretch.

Majority of people will dump the new browser the second the find a website that doesn't work well on it. Using it despite that, IS a political statement, that not everyone will make. If you want FF to get more adoption, then you need to acknowledge its weaknesses so that it can fix them, and not bury our heads in the sand and attack its critics.

Not everyone wants to be a martyr/activist to change their habits and experience in order to support a political cause they don't really understand.

Most people just want the best, frictionless and most familiar experience to the product they already know and love, which often means a slick and shiny product from a monopolistic anti-consumer company.

That often happens regardless. You might as well spare the poor teacher from dealing with them so they can focus on kids that are still redeemable, because otherwise, if you force them, the teachers will just choose to leave the system entirely, only because you had misplaced empathy for the irredeemable bottom % of society, when you weren't the one actually having to deal with that problem you want fixed. It's easy to write cheques you don't have to cash but most people, just like you and me, have limits to the amount of abuse they will take at work, even for humanitarian jobs like nurses and teachers.

Any UN-wide military intervention would require some consensus from at least some of the major powers on the security council, but Israel is being shielded by powers such as US and Germany so nothing will happen at UN level, especially when those two countries are known for applying sanctions on people and countries who are boycotting Israel and aiding Palestine.

There are a few countries very vocal against what Israel is doing, but obviously none of them will go as far to send troops to that region by themselves, which is understandable for multiple reasons, especially given the already elevated economic and geopolitical challenges around the world right now.

Where did I say it had to do with age? I said win 98 UI taken verbatim wouldn't be very usable today, especially for the younger generation who didn't grow up with it to think it's peak UI, as the older people who grew up with it are influenced by nostalgia but they also wouldn't be productive with it today compared to modern KDE for example.

I wasn't generalizing. Your GP was doing that assuming everyone must thinks Win 98 UI as peak. I tried to provide a counter that people who used modern operating systems and never used Win 98 (because they're too young to have ever used it) might not find it usable today, and it's mostly rose tinted glasses nostalgia talking of the older people, who grew up with win 98 but they don't actually use it today. I also used win 98 back in the day, and yeah it looks clutter free, but too many modern QoL features are missing from it for me to actually daily drive it today.

Like for example to launch a program in Win98 you need to either have a desktop shortcut or click the start menu and then navigate a massive directory tree hovering the mouse pointer level by level and don't move your mouse by accident outside or the tree collapses and you need to start over, compared to any modern OS UI where you can access a global launcher via the meta key and just type what you need:an app, a setting, etc. Nobody can claim with a straight face Win 98 does this better than today.

>a lot of devs seem to have moved back to the command line

That's because thanks to AI development, TUIs today are 1000x more user friendly than they were 5-10 years ago, let alone in the 80s. And that's also ignoring the massive popularity of things like VS Code. Also TUIs are more popular today since more development today is done remotely via SSH on cloud instances rather than locally on the machine.

It's like the author only looked at a graph and decided everything is rosy and you just need to add some AI on top to be perfect. And even funnier, the graph used in the article is from 2024. Like bro, you're 2 years out of date. Industry today, especially automotive is way worse than it was in 2024.

Sorry, but this isn't in any way a well researched article, but more of armchair Redditor opinion piece.

Nostalgia of old out of touch PC users(of which I am one; old I mean, not out of touch ;-)).

I doubt people under 25 years old today have the same attraction to desktop UIs from before they were born and think that's the ideal usability goal for daily driving today.

Nations whose economies depend on foreign tourist coming to spend their money there, are some of the worst developed out there, have a disproportionately high low wage sector, and some of the highest wealth inequalities out there with the lowest opportunities for upwards mobility. Basically a dutch disease. Nobody wants their economy to be like that if they can avoid it.

Countries aren't gonna be improved by you moving to buy 2$ lattes there while you gentrify the locals in the process and making life more expensive for them, trapping them in perpetual indentured servitude catering to the digital nomad/tourist industry with little to no possibility of moving up the value chain. The only ones who will be happy you do this will be landlords and business owners in the hospitality industry but no developed economy is built with those two as its pillars.

Developed nations want an export economy of products and services aided by imported skilled workers to stay as long term residents and contribute in income taxes, not in latte purchases, and maybe even become citizens so they can become eligible for the draft in case shit were to hit the fan. Digital nomads are like locusts by comparisons, they come to treat your country like and amusement park in a race to the bottom while the going is good, but leave at the slightest inconvenience if now the 2$ latte now has to be 3$ due to increased labor protections, when the impoverished country next door sells it for 2.50$.

I've yet to meet people immune from the inevitability of death, via the immigration policies of their country.

What exactly was your argument here? Because I'm not seeing the downside in what you wrote.

If you check out history books, you'll be surprised(or not) by how often that happens.

>What I find so sad about this is the lack of empathy for people that worked hard to build a life here, paid their taxes, and followed the law.

Economic hardships and scarcity will turn everyone into animals. Every society, even the most kind, peaceful and orderly is only 3 missing meals away from killing each other for the last piece of bread. Except before killing each other, they'll first kill foreigners. Story as old as time.

Why would I want to support the introduction in my country of what is virtually modern slave labor practices by abusing and exploiting the poor and desperate foreigners so that some business can get richer because they don't want to pay or provide decent working conditions or invest into automation?

Especially that a lot of those cheap laborers without rights aren't even doing work to the benefit of the community (elderly care, construction etc) but to the benefit of a few wealthy and unscrupulous business owners (Amazon, Uber Eats, etc) who are addicted to cheap exploitable labor.

>Countries may not like foreign poor immigrants, but they certainly need them to work harder for less pay and rights.

Yeah, but there a major differences in which these are implemented that can make immigration a success or a failure.

Some countries that you also mentioned like Middle East, Hong Kong, but also Singapore import those workers for cheap labor so they can do the work the locals don't want and in exchange migrants make money to send back home, making it mutually beneficial, but they don't get the right to permanently settle there or gain citizenship because they don't want them as citizens, they just want temporary workers that will work and then leave when they're no longer useful or wanted.

This however does not apply to most western nations where migrants can settle permanently and relatively easily become citizens with voting rights in a relatively short timeframe(at least in EU), and that's where the anxiety of the locals comes from and also their hatred of migrants. They're importing an alien culture they're not fond of as cheap labor, that once settled and granted voting rights, if not integrated properly and harboring animosity, can demographically displace them via their higher fertility rates(natives are already minorities in some major EU cities) managing to out-vote them and force their culture onto them democratically, or worse, use their majority status to take revenge for how their ancestors being treated as cheap labor. Either way, this is a recipe for endless racial tensions or even conflicts in the future, that isn't being priced in to the economic upsides of mass migration which only looks at GDP.

Wouldn't that make the Japanese locals happy as that means (in theory) 7 new job vacancies and 7 more free homes on the market for them?

Even if that's not exactly how this works in practice, if that's how voters see it, then they will support it.

Johnny Somali.

The US regime has no support from its voters and taxpayers to get deeper into the IRan war because the US is the one who started it, it's not an existential threat for Americans in the US to spend more of their money or die intervening in the middle east.

But for EU what happens in Ukraine is an existential threat and they also didn't provoke the war there, so Europeans are more motivated to support the war against Russia than AMericans are to support military intervention in Iran.

47% of what? Of the immigrants coming in the UK are net tax contributors or 47% of the total population including locals?

So just like Singapore and wealthy Arab Gulf states.

Just like how in the 1984 movie/book, they were given generous portions of gin to drink at work lunch break even though they had food shortages.

Same how china and former communist states banned a lot of them on paper, but they still low-key exist in an underground economy where the party closes its eyes to its existence until it needs to arrest someone for political reasons and making use of banned vices is a perfect excuse.

Undocumented migrants is like calling shoplifters unreceipted customers.