JaggerJo

yup, it’s electron crap.

Even just typing text on the notion mac app feels wrong.

I’m leasing a Honda E and software wise literally nothing except apple car play works/ is usable.

Some things are absolutely safety relevant. But no one cares.

nice!

NO

I also self host on a 4$ box. Quite impressive how much performance you get for that kind of money.

Setting up and managing Postgres is a pain tho. Would be nice to have a simpler way of getting this all right.

If a type can't be mapped this should now fail at compile time instead of at runtime - which is an improvement.

I can understand that this might be intrieging for newcomers. I've certainly learned the hard way that the only thing worse than manually writing mapping code is doing it automatically at runtime.

Something that should not be needed was just improved.

This sucks for parking. It is simply (physically) not possible for the existing cameras to see the area directly in front of the car.

So how would this work for parking?

A: Add more cameras so there are no dead areas in front of the car

B: build a model in vector space when driving towards a parking spot and assume blind spots don't change. (still sucks)

Have my first pair still in use.

bold statement, as you claim that VS Code would fit the majority better than say $IDE from JetBrains.

I don't know how you came to that conclusion but I'd guess that you mostly work on small projects? (where I'd say smallish is < 100K LOC)

Stuff I'd miss in VS Code coming from JetBrains Rider:

- Docking of panels to top, bottom, left, right

- built-in database explorer (with table designer, script runner, ...)

- built-in unit test explorer

- built-in memory/perf profiler (not talking about a simple text interface!)

- nice config options of project settings (in either text with completion or the UI)

- NuGet package explorer UI

- integrated IL viewer

- great git blame / annotation view

... could continue for a while

Agree. VS Code is simply not comparable to a full blown IDE. It's a text editor with some integrated language tooling.

Might be just me, but in larger teams it's annoying because not everyone knows the most recent features.

I wrote C# daily before I switched to F# ~3 years ago and I sometimes struggle reading "modern" C# code. In C# you now often have multiple ways of doing the same thing.

Polymorphic variants are pretty cool IMHO

https://v2.ocaml.org/manual/polyvariant.html

Personally use Rider, so can't say anything about Ionides stability.

I recommend Rider.

I bunch of stuff was added in the recent years. Just a few examples:

Pattern Matching

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/whats-new/cs...

Non destructive mutation

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/whats-new/cs...

Null-coalescing assignment

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/whats-new/cs...

The DarkLang project was originally written in OCaml and was recently ported to F# (https://blog.darklang.com/new-backend-fsharp/)

> How much work would it take in term of code rewriting?

There are definitely code changes required, but I think those are quite manageable as concepts mostly map 1:1 from OCaml to F#.

> can it compile to native code?

Yup, https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/deploying/nati...

> how good is the language support experience in vscode?

Pretty good, https://ionide.io

(but I personally prefer JetBrains Rider)

> any reason not to do it?

Compilation speed, some OCaml language features?

True. I really appreciate Don Syme for not adding too much to F#. It's a beautiful precise language as it is.

I really don't like what has happened to C# is the past few years where features are just added blindly it seems. Current C# looks nothing like C# code from a few years ago and that's bad IMO.

Yeah, I admit that as a daily F# user I jealously look at some OCaml features.

For us the tooling + library ecosystem are more important to get sh* done.

OCaml is cool, but have you tried F#?

haven’t used it for any big apps. We use Fable + React

Actually - you have a bunch of options for building web front ends in F#

- via Fable (F# to JS Compiler)

- WebSharper (tightly integrated web frontend and backend)

- Blazor/Bolero Server Side (like phoenix live view)

- Blazor/Bolero WASM

We also start to see Avalonia running on WASM, but I wouldn’t say it’s ready yet.

I’m using a (M1) mac to write F# in Rider - no issues at all.

germany?

And the zulip (mac) app sucks

yup - we definitely need to keep them. Otherwise Samaritan might win.

It’s quite the opposite from my experience.

Rider got a lot better over the years and I would pick it over Visual Studio anytime.

Developing in F# full-time (.NET 6) on MacOS (M1) using Rider as my IDE of choice. Works like a charm.

Yes, the JS ecosystem is nuts.

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