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Where does it say that in the article, except from the extremely unreliable source of the Amazon HR rep?

I will probably vote in favor of nuclear, but you have to admit that us not having any uranium and having huge solar and pumped hydro potential up in the alps makes Switzerland pretty bad match for nuclear.

Still much better than gas though…

Renault makes good electric vans.

Not quite an SUV, but maybe fits the same use case?

Citizens voting on naturalization was abolished by federal court decision since 2008.

You can still be voted on by the city council though, but they are required to provide a reason and „wrong hair color“ will not pass legal challenge.

Immigrants can’t vote.

Citizens with immigration background have been in the country for 10+ years, because 10 is the minimum for getting citizenship, at which point their voting patterns are more likely to be influenced by other factors and not their immigrant background.

Plus, it’s a bit of a phenomenon that many citizens with immigrant background’s tend to vote for stricter immigration policies.

How many of those were born in CH?

How many people born in CH never become Swiss? Because for the US, that number is ~0%.

And before you say: "well the US have different rules", well, ok, but then don't compare us to the US on the other number either, compare us to other EU countries with similar types of rules but different implementations.

CH has stricter naturalization laws than many EU countries and CH has mandatory military service which discourages many males from naturalizing, even those born in the country.

I mean, Kt. ZH also had the Wohnungsinitiative today, because not even Swiss people can find housing in ZH anymore.

Let’s be realistic and admit that landlords already prioritize someone with history of renting in the country and it’s pretty fair to say that new immigrants will struggle to get housing. Even if you come on a FAANG salary, you will not be able to buy your way in that easily.

Varoufakis is Greek and so EU citizen. He literally cannot be banned from Schengen.

He is banned from public speaking in Germany and only Germany. Which the Germans can do to anyone on their own territory, including German citizens.

We do. Swiss naturalization is famously difficult.

But EU citizens can basically live forever in CH even though technically they don’t have permanent residency.

Immigration is not devolved. The whole point of Schengen is the opposite of devolution of immigration.

You are confusing immigration with naturalization. Only if Berlin starts handing out German passports do they dictate EU immigration single-handedly.

If you are non-EU, you will not get a work permit.

If you are EU or do get a work permit, you will not get housing.

The vote was for a reason…

I mean technically, it was also rejected by the Kantons-as-entities so if that 5% is unevenly spread, theoretically it could still be rejected by Kantonal majority…

Only 58% of the voters voted.

55% no is… ok? Typical for such votes?

But of course, the SVP have been launching the same initiative since the 70s, they are unlikely to stop now.

In case people were wondering about the result of that thread which made the front page a few days ago…

While it is not at all practical to train an LLM with tens or hundreds of billions of parameters on hobbyists hardware, what if there are other architectures that perform just as well but are easier to train by 1000 volunteers?

I always wondered if 1000 1M parameter models fine-tuned to specific tasks with a small router could perform as well as 100B models.

And I know this is roughly how MoE works, but current MoE models still require training the model as a whole, and big players don’t have an incentive to change that.

But OpenSource community does…

I ban almost the entire world using iptables.

Or rather, I drop all traffic other than that coming from my geo.

This has dropped my „rattling the door handle“ rate to 1/week instead of 1/second.

I don’t know about owncloud, but I have been hosting a family Nextcloud instance for a little under two years and it works fine.

It’s boring. It works.

Capitalism abides by dollars only so long as force is not in play. When the Molotov cocktails start flying, dollars lose their grip.

Simone Weil had good theoretical and practical observations on force vs economy 100 years ago.

We already do. Libel and fraud are already illegal.

Multiple people have the same response, I randomly selected this one for follow up:

Yes, but two things were lost:

1) the need for skill or an accomplice. He _couldn’t_ tweet that image in 2016, not without first asking someone to photoshop it. And that need to engage in human to human communication is something truly fundamental that was changed and lost.

2) Any ambiguity or misunderstanding. Yes bad textual tweets exist for a long time in politics. But there IS something about images that is more powerful than text. The text „I’m Jesus Christ and god sent me to heal the sick“ would probably make the news, but a lot of people would go: „is he quoting the bible? What’s going on?“, not so much with Jesus Picture.

The president of the United States tweeted an AI generated image of himself as Jesus Christ descending from the sky and saving a sick person.

I feel like that is a good example. Now multiply that by hundreds of millions of AI generated propaganda images across the world.

And that’s even without touching the effect of fake videos on democracy or Elons pedo-bot that generates CSAM on demand of specific people…

I‘d rather they didn’t.

Undermining democracy itself is far more dangerous than whatever the impact of this referendum would be.

These agreements do not force countries to share that burden.

Freedom of movement for EU citizens. Migrants and asylum seekers don’t have the right to live and work in Switzerland because of our EU agreements.

A migrant or asylum seeker living in Germany has 0 right to move to CH.

We do have some asylum obligations from the Dublin accords and from global human rights laws, but those we can regulate ourselves separately anyway. EU doesn’t care. Countries within EU do it already.

Yes.

And that clause famously includes the breaking of all other contracts.

There is no demand for modifying freedom of movement within EU. It’s not even a topic in most EU countries.

What IS a topic, is preventing non-EU migration, and that has broad support and slowly all parties are moving in that direction.

And we are NOT EU. But for now, they basically go „yes yes, but we think of you as EU because we are so tightly connected“.

So what do you expect to happen if we push the point and make them treat us as non-EU?

One interesting point for me is that, IMHO, the propaganda on the „no“ side wad _abysmal_.

The counter arguments are awful and they are presented awfully and not even in such high quantity as you would expect.

I think it has a good chance of passing just because of that.

And then political shitf***y will begin with „we don’t know how to turn this into law!“, which is not good for the basis of democracy…

Support for EU within EU is growing since the war in Ukraine and has gone to overdrive since Trump 2.0. No current political party except for fringe parties in any EU state advocates for exiting the EU or ending the four freedoms. It’s reasonable to say that yes, EU citizens do approve of freedom of movement in EU. They probably do want to limit freedom of non-EU citizens though…

… which is exactly why the EU would terminate agreements with Switzerland if we start first. And why it would make political sense. They made that quite clear with the UK.

Well I _am_ Swiss.

You missed the part where we _voluntarily_ chose to enter into a contract with the EU that does in fact beholden us to EU laws.

We can go back on that contract, but breaking your word is something that people remember for a reason.

Don’t be so quick.

You know full well that the polls are 52% no. It will be a razor thin rejection and the SVP will try again until they find one that passes.

Which immediately triggers the guillotine clause in all other bilateral treaties including movement of goods and services, Horizon, energy market etc.

„Exiting the EU“ is a perfectly adequate way to summarize it to a world audience that doesn’t care about the details.